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Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by thefz »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #12

I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonde…

> It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself.

True words. Also, let me add: can we stop worrying about social media for a while? If it magically disappeared overnight, no lives will be lost and our existence would be the same, if not better.

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by notacoward »

Stealthisbook wrote: post #18

It won't work with Twitter since there's no real goal or definition of success. Putting in long hours and working harder can only help to accomplish something faster, but nobody's defined what they want to get done except for some features around verification and subscriptions. It's not even clear that the developers were falling short in any real way. The service has been working fine for years, invisibly rolling ou…

> nobody's defined what they want to get done

Just keeping things running requires a certain amount of knowledge and effort. F.Elon wants to do that with an absolute minimum headcount (or more precisely a minimum wage expenditure). That means actively driving away the most talented, in favor of those willing to flirt with burnout and deliver the most work per dollar. The model is basically a high-tech sweatshop.

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

thefz wrote: post #21
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #12

I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonde…

> It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. True words. Also, let me add: can we stop worrying about social media for a while? If it magically disappeared overnight, no lives will be lost and our existence would be the same, if not better.

Yes, it mostly disappeared for me recently (apart from HN, Twitter was my only social media) and all I have is a sense of relief. Why didn’t I stop sooner?

I realized a large part of why I was using it recently was to follow my municipality’s elections, and I would have been far better served simply attending meetings and speaking directly with candidates. I did this a bit, but spent far too much time soaking in second hand information from Twitter. Why?! It feels kind of crazy in retrospect.

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by freedom2099 »

I wish twitter was a French company… it would be hilarious to watch Elon clash with our labour’s laws! At my company a new manager (from the US) was severely scolded for sending an e-mail after working hours (it is prohibited to avoid being pressured working late)! Another time my team was asked with very short notice (around noon) if we could stay late to finish some critical work (compensated)… some people left earlier than usual in protest!

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by TradingPlaces »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #12

I’m not seeing what Musk sees. I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It seems like a total farce. Accordingly, it seems like he’s being a complete asshole to thousands of people while making a spectacle of himself. It means vanishingly little but this was what made me leave Twitter. His ineptitude around software engineering has made me wonde…

He still thinks Twitter's issues are technical. They are political.

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by somthingwrong »

Maybe some of you don't actually know how bad will it be if 996 spreads, the 996 things don't only ruin your life and break the WLB but the most worse thing is it's the start of the vicious circle. For the developer self, you have to push your self working more hours because the other co-worker are working more hours For the company, the company will prefer who worked more hours because most of the management just simply thinks more hours represent more output For this industry, well because a lot of developers work more hours this means normally a task you could do it in two days back in WLB instead it will be done in one day now, and this will eventually become the company needs 100 developers back days, now they only need 50 developers. and this will become the start of involution

Re: Ask HN: How will it impact after Elon's 'hardcore'

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Post by bsg75 »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #16
bsg75 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t understand how top tier engineering talent turns Twitter into something worth buying for $44,000,000,000. It doesn’t. Twitter’s product is not an engineering one of software or servers. And any revenue or cost improvements that are a result of engineering won’t be improved by sleeping on the floor.

I think that last part is key here. Does excellence really require suffering? Especially for the disproportionate gain of someone who was, what, able to borrow more money than other people? It’s such a preposterous idea on its face. I’m open to being ignorant and naive, but as it stands, I find the entire picture totally repulsive and incoherent.

Only if “excellence” means stroking someone else’s ego for zero or less personal ROI.

Working more for the same pay is a reduction in compensation.

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