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If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you.
Many seniors (actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.
Good, experienced people would usually have built a decent network for themselves over their career. As seniority grows, you will find them less and less applying for new jobs, and more and more relying on their networks for new work. And if they are good, they very likely are sitting on open offers from well known ex-colleagues that they could take up at anytime. You will do much better to tap in through your own ne…
I was interviewed for a position, and was clearly perfect, but I couldn't get that across to more than half of the people interviewing me. I had some people in my corner, but others were concerned I wasn't technical enough which is hilarious.
Why would I subject myself to that? I can get a job in a heartbeat from anyone who has ever worked with me in the past.
It's a demeaning and dumb process interviewing with people you don't know, when you interview people who know you, they just pitch you on why you should join them.
They don't even ask me questions, because they know I am going to be one of if not the top contributor. They've seen it, they don't have to guess on if I happen to forget syntax on a sql command because I am not focused on sql at the moment.
> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.
Good, experienced people would usually have built a decent network for themselves over their career. As seniority grows, you will find them less and less applying for new jobs, and more and more relying on their networks for new work. And if they are good, they very likely are sitting on open offers from well known ex-colleagues that they could take up at anytime. You will do much better to tap in through your own ne…
This is a great point. I cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point. I decided to do one the last time I was job hunting just to see what the world has to offer. I was interviewed for a position, and was clearly perfect, but I couldn't get that across to more than half of the people interviewing me. I had some people in my corner, but others were concerned I wasn't technical enough which is hilarious. Why wo…
Eh, if someone refers me for a job they may need others’ buy in. The take-home technical assignment, on the other hand, would be a show stopper. That’s consulting. I charge for that.
When does the mental detachement happens where people reaponsible for hiring stop understanding this? Why the headscratching? It‘s dead simple. Just make offers people can‘t refuse.
You've also not said what your pipeline looks like - is there nobody coming in at the top? Or are the "great people" not as great as you think? Or the "really deep knowledge of the platform" is in fact less reasonable or badly paid than you think?
If you're stuck, find a good recruiter and pay them properly. They can end-run around whatever the problem is, at least temporarily and give you informed, discreet feedback on how to fix it.
We've been unsuccessful finding senior roles lately. The job is slightly underpaid, but the technologies, team, and everything else are amazing. It's difficult to communicate that in a job rec. I'd never leave for a much more higher paying role because the weight of being on a team of real experts working on real challenges far outweighs additional money. Just the way it goes out here. For the same reasons you wouldn…
> job is slightly underpaid, but the technologies, team, and everything else are amazing I would be sceptical of someone describing themselves as senior who falls for this. Pay them properly. If you can’t afford cash, make it up in stock and responsibility and flexibility and be open that you’re proposing that tradeoff from the start. You’ll filter out everyone with a mortgage or kids close to college or a lifestyle…
I do agree that you don't find seniors by job postings very often, but we have had success with it provided the job posting is narrow on a technology that is specialized, so you know the candidates in a way. They come from a company you've worked with, or interacted with on some vertical.
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This is a great point. I cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point. I decided to do one the last time I was job hunting just to see what the world has to offer. I was interviewed for a position, and was clearly perfect, but I couldn't get that across to more than half of the people interviewing me. I had some people in my corner, but others were concerned I wasn't technical enough which is hilarious. Why wo…
> cannot imagine doing a real interview at this point Eh, if someone refers me for a job they may need others’ buy in. The take-home technical assignment, on the other hand, would be a show stopper. That’s consulting. I charge for that.
Although by "real interview", I was indicating interviewing with people I didn't work with in the past. I wasn't referring to additional phone conversations for buy in.
> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.
Lol, take home technical assignment. Why would I ever? I'd much rather have a comfortable conversation with someone who has worked with me in the past. I'm never, ever doing a 4 hour assignment for you.
> Take-home technical assignment (~4h) or similar at candidate's choosing If I can get a similarly-paying job at a place that doesn't do this, I'll skip you. Many seniors ( actual seniors, not 3-years-of-experience seniors) have a network and can say "hey I'm looking" and instantly have multiple options that won't have them do more than talk to the team and manager for an hour or two. If that.
Lol, take home technical assignment. Why would I ever? I'd much rather have a comfortable conversation with someone who has worked with me in the past. I'm never, ever doing a 4 hour assignment for you.
Then there's senior in most of the rest of the industry. We don't do long, annoying interviews. If your process drags on we've already accepted one of our other offers. We don't make FAANG money (mostly) but we also don't put up with horseshit. You want me, or not? If not, 100 other companies do, so bye and have a nice day.