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Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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I'm a Brit. I lived in Germany 10 years, now I'm in San Diego (been in the US 12 years).

Life is good, but I miss Germany. More than I miss England. I don't regret leaving as we had our reasons, but if we had stayed, well... I think life would be better, more enriching. Screw the money.

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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Background on me: I am French, I've been living in the Bay Area for the past 14 years, a 2-year old and another on the way, we are recent home owners and grandma lives and helps us every day. California is expensive. The Bay Area where you'd find high paying jobs is even more expensive. Rent is expensive, home ownership is nearly inaccessible, cost of daycare and healthcare is high, great schools are expensive and ta…

Can you provide links to websites that engineers get paid 100k in Germany?

My impression is that it’s around 50k. That’s what, for example, car companies or top R & D places pay the best graduates from TUM (I am talking about PhDs with years of experience in advanced engineering).

But OP should also consider health care costs. You still pay 800-900 Euro in Germany (450 paid out of salary and an equivalent amount by the employer, which is essentially taken from salary), and with that you get excellent health care for a single person in US, but things change if you are unemployed. Overall, German health care system is better.

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

#23
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now add cost of private insurance, COL, cost of houses. Then calculate how much of those pesky taxes in Germany go towards real infrastructure compared to the US. I'm a FAANG engineer in Europe and I can tell you I'm not a lower class grunt like you imply everyone in here ;)

What I mean is that your reality may not be same as OP. Some stages in life are better in Europe other are in US. I lived in Both. Want to live hard and play hard? Having two weeks vacations as a good thing? Go to US. Want to drive YOUR car, have YOUR house fill the tank and eat bad food? US. Want to have more 2 children, have 30 days + sick leave and well .. work slow? Go to Europe. Europe is like a cozy trap, you e…

> Want to drive YOUR car, have YOUR house fill the tank and eat bad food? US.

Weird, I have a house and a car, might have missed the memo about giving it away

> Europe is like a cozy trap, you enter, feels nice public transportation, healthcare, all things already decided for you and cozy.

I forgot when the government sent me my letter telling that I should study programming and in which city to live

> But then you are on your 60's the Medical specialist has a long queue, your treatments are limited. Then the state is telling you which doctor you should go, which treatment is good for you, etc.

Then you go and acquire private insurance or go to the private doctor of your choice. (like the US doesn't treat the elderly like crap)

> Then You don't feel so good to bring groceries on the public transport.

Don't need to bring groceries in public transport thanks to sane zoning regulations that allow blocks to have supermarkets and small shops, no need to give Ford your money to have a live and be able to buy groceries 7 KM away from your home :)

> Then You don't feel so connected to the local culture.

Like his german wife will in the US right?

> Other people discover the power of individualism in US.

I forgot the US copyrighted individualism

> Are you going to fit on local culture or be in the expat circle?

Again, like his wife?

> Are your kids be in the local school or the "new school" made for new people?

Clearly you don't know how schools work, neither in the US or EU.

You clearly don't have any knowledge of live in Europe and have a very naive sense of patriotism for the States

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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post #22

Background on me: I am French, I've been living in the Bay Area for the past 14 years, a 2-year old and another on the way, we are recent home owners and grandma lives and helps us every day. California is expensive. The Bay Area where you'd find high paying jobs is even more expensive. Rent is expensive, home ownership is nearly inaccessible, cost of daycare and healthcare is high, great schools are expensive and ta…

Can you provide links to websites that engineers get paid 100k in Germany? My impression is that it’s around 50k. That’s what, for example, car companies or top R & D places pay the best graduates from TUM (I am talking about PhDs with years of experience in advanced engineering). But OP should also consider health care costs. You still pay 800-900 Euro in Germany (450 paid out of salary and an equivalent amount by t…

100K isn't a common salary for entry or mid level but as senior engineers or mangers you can definitely make it. I'm working in Germany. With my bonus I touch just about 100K. I have 10 years of experience though. Although when recruiters contact me and if you mention 100K as your minimum they don't seem very excited about it. Same with companies.

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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I'm chiming in again here... Germany 100%. Do you want your kids to live with the elevated risk of getting shot, school shooter drills as casual as fire drills, and then the prospect of the principal of the school being insane and getting one of those surprise active shooter simulation drills? I'm lookin at the situation as it only being a matter of time before a TEACHER snaps and starts bucking away kids with a shotgun after being called a funny name one too many times. That alone would influence my decision to keep my family out of the USA.

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

#28

I'm chiming in again here... Germany 100%. Do you want your kids to live with the elevated risk of getting shot, school shooter drills as casual as fire drills, and then the prospect of the principal of the school being insane and getting one of those surprise active shooter simulation drills? I'm lookin at the situation as it only being a matter of time before a TEACHER snaps and starts bucking away kids with a shot…

As someone who lives in the US, your description is extremely hyperbolic. If you believe what the news cycles have to say after every incident, sure, but it doesn't really affect everyday life for most people.

Re: Ask HN: Should I move to California or Germany as a SWE with 2 small kids? (pt2)

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I'm chiming in again here... Germany 100%. Do you want your kids to live with the elevated risk of getting shot, school shooter drills as casual as fire drills, and then the prospect of the principal of the school being insane and getting one of those surprise active shooter simulation drills? I'm lookin at the situation as it only being a matter of time before a TEACHER snaps and starts bucking away kids with a shot…

As someone who lives in the US, your description is extremely hyperbolic. If you believe what the news cycles have to say after every incident, sure, but it doesn't really affect everyday life for most people.

Try telling that to kids doing active shooter drills every year. Explain to your young kids why they have to learn to hide in the closet and why their beloved teacher will be outside the closet holding off the shooter.
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