Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by caylus » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

noodle wrote: post #18

codingdave wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $0 to $1m DOE... Actually, that does help me. At least I know that for the right candidate, with the right skills and fit, we can talk. That means I am not wasting my time because I am not talking to a place that has an inflexible top dollar range controlled by someone other than the hiring manager that will become a brick wall if we hit that point. I don't mind an interview process where I need to prove my worth t…

This is fairly true for most businesses already, though - at least in tech. It's just a question of how they value your skills that might not be in alignment. Some companies will value what you bring to the table more than others, just because of what their needs are. Or they just can't match pay. We regularly lose people to FAANG because we just can't comp the same, and that's been true for every startup I've hired…

> We regularly lose people to FAANG because we just can't comp the same,

This would seem to support the GP's point - it sounds like you do have an inflexible top dollar range, meaning listing it up front would help to avoid wasting the time of you and candidates who are expecting more.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by chris11 » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #13

I work at a place where we have trouble finding candidates. It's hard to find a good candidate, but sometimes we find someone we really like but they don't have a lot of experience, and sometimes we find someone we really like and they're very experienced. Both can come trough the same job opening, but we'll offer them different salaries for obvious reasons. Their "level" inside the company will be different once the…

That doesn't seem really complicated to communicate. Levels are common across large companies. Just post the targeted levels and salary bands. You can still make out of band offers if you decide the candidate doesn't meet or surpasses the intended level.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by EddieDante » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

It's harder for them to shaft you after you've jumped through all their hoops just to get an offer if they're up front about how little they intend to pay you.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:52 PM UTC

noodle wrote: post #4

I currently post ranges because we're now large enough. But when we were smaller, I wouldn't include ranges because our job posts didn't filter by seniority, and at least part of the comp was the potential for a healthy options grant. So the effective cash comp range was so large as to be meaningless on a single job post. "$0 to $1m DOE" (for example) doesn't help anyone make any decisions and is so distracting that…

Why wouldn't you include the option grant in the job advert though ? I know some people (including me, couple of years ago) who specifically try to find places where there is a huge upside potential through options

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:54 PM UTC

higeorge13 wrote: post #2

Most of the times it’s a company policy. As a hiring manager i never knew the salary of the open positions i was filling, only hr snd c-levels did. Since my last job, asking the salary range is my first question in recruiter dms and generic emails. My current company was super open to reveal salary range on the first email, and i really appreciated it and eventually accepted the offer. People should demand transparre…

I meant also why does it make sense even from company's perspective. It's not like these policies are set in stone.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:56 PM UTC

pdxdmz wrote: post #8

I'm not allowed to. I've made the arguments for, and HR controls the actual job listings, and they won't put salary in the JDs. I've been trying for two years to make this happen. Reasons I've heard -- and again, this is not me, this is what I'm told -- include * we can't as a matter of company policy, which can't be changed * we offer great benefits (true, they're the best I've ever had) and so it's not fair to us t…

> it's not fair to us to post salaries, because it'll look low and we'll lose candidates *

Is that a valid argument ? I mean if it is low even after going through the hiring process people will end up rejecting the offer. Its just that both candidate and company would have sunk quite a lot of time in interview process.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by jdmg94 » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

rkk3 wrote: post #6

Have you found it helpful? Having a recruiter at a "transparent" company give me a base salary range band where the Max was more than 2x the Min actually kinda left a bad taste in my mouth

why? if its too low you can dip early in the process, if its too wide then you get room to prove yourself. There’s only upsides for the job seeker

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #13

I work at a place where we have trouble finding candidates. It's hard to find a good candidate, but sometimes we find someone we really like but they don't have a lot of experience, and sometimes we find someone we really like and they're very experienced. Both can come trough the same job opening, but we'll offer them different salaries for obvious reasons. Their "level" inside the company will be different once the…

why can't those levels and corresponding salaries can be mentioned in the job post. I don't think any candidate would object and the chances of candidates rejecting your offer would be minimum.

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 8:01 PM UTC

nojito wrote: post #9

We did an a b test on our internal job board and it was a disaster. Posting salaries is kind of ok for applicants but does nothing for hiring folks.

could you explain what was the disaster ? You had huge uproar from existing employees once they found out that company is willing to pay more to newer employees OR not enough candidates applied for the job posting with salary information ?

Re: Ask HN: Hiring managers why don't you post salary range in your job postings?

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Post by new_learner » Fri, May 13, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

rkk3 wrote: post #6

Have you found it helpful? Having a recruiter at a "transparent" company give me a base salary range band where the Max was more than 2x the Min actually kinda left a bad taste in my mouth

As a candidate definitely. It tells me what is the maximum company is willing to offer to me. Helps to avoid situations when after applying and going through a lengthy technical interview process me and company both found out that their maximum is actually 1K less than what I currently make.