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Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

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I was born before the internet. I was in high school when Ward and Randy decided a Computerized Bulletin Board was a good idea. The internet was a thing after I was into my adult life. I'm 58, and NO, I don't feel overwhelmed. In fact, it is surprising to me the quantity of things that have not made it online.

You would not believe how many daily social events made it into the local newspaper in my home town. There are accounts of my recent ancestors comings and goings, the family party that likely resulted in my Father's birth 9 months later... ;-)

There are whole swaths of things that never got recorded, and never will. The gatekeeping functions of publishing have been replaced by the savage and random fates. History of my family from Europe is gone, blown up, bombed, etc.

The internet makes sharing widely possible. It changes the forces that limit the availability of information. Sometimes getting rid of the gatekeepers, and replacing them with propaganda spewing fountains of drivel, sometimes enabling the common person with a knack for telling stories to connect with an audience that would have never found them before.

I'm glad the Internet Archive is here, trying to compensate for the loss of the wildly generative early internet.

>Btw. you could say, just turn off the Internet and buy a book, but can you really pretend it doesn't exist? And how long can you stick to it?

If it weren't for my current eye surgery issues... yeah, books are cool. Could I turn it off, and do without? Only if it's a challenge... and surely I can outlast anyone who grew up swimming in the internet. ;-)

Example: I still know how to drive from coast to coast using only paper maps and written directions.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#22
Today I struggle much more with finding relevant information and having to sift through endless SEO crap and fake articles. Back in the days (early 2000s to early 2010s) I would have enjoyable information consumption and discussions with people freely, nowadays I have to filter through a lot of crap and have to be careful how I speak in order to have discussions.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#23
I do, and don't have a good solution unfortunately. I'm more of a short attention span reader - I'll read a few paragraphs on something but usually not more.

But I find myself reading constantly. So much so my wife keeps asking me to take a break and rest my eyes.

As a result, I feel like I actually know a little bit about a whole lot, which isn't that useful other than maybe trivia. Also, my memory has become pretty bad, which I attribute to reading too much, but it could just be age catching up with me.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#24
Not at all.

Over the pandemic I got interested in late bronze age history, and I've been finding all sorts of interesting things cross-correlating papers in the past decade or so in different domains with ancient texts, etc. Fascinating stuff, and a lot I think is currently escaping the specialization blindness of modern academia.

There's no way I could have done any of that before the current plethora of information.

In fact, for one book series I had to contact the publisher to get a PDF version so I could search it for fragmentary names of sea peoples.

If anything, what I'm growing more wary of is the increased trend of gating information behind paywalls, and the signal to noise ratio caused by blogspam.

It's arguably much easier to find out what a Luwian bilingual inscription about Mopsus from the 8th century BCE says than it is to find out which application tracing provider has the best pricing model for small businesses.

I don't think that's a healthy direction for information, and suspect it's about to get MUCH worse as AI generated text becomes an increasingly low barrier to entry and increasingly higher altitude.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#25
The next time I learn something I might do that actually. With books I learned programming and Linux. Also it doesn't have to be read at once but can be stretched over months. Now it seems much harder for me to learn something I'm not familiar with at all.

Learning with video series/online courses rarely works for me also. Although I do like good Getting started tutorials for topics with flat learning curve

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#26
Long before the Internet I spent a lot of time in libraries and bookstores, and it was difficult back then to find much beyond basic information about almost anything unless it was somewhat mainstream.

When you did find something unusual or highly detailed, it was cause for celebration.

So no, I don’t feel overwhelmed. It’s a welcome feeling that I can get better answers than ever.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#27
A bit offtopic, but: I have a problem with research papers. There are many of they and they are relevant. I've gotten quite good in digesting them in detail, which usually requires reproducing all the notation/theorems and key ideas from scratch.

But I can't do more shallow reviews, I always have the feeling that I'm missing something out, and I won't get intuitive understanding of a paper.

Is there a good heuristic/middle ground of consuming such information?

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Old fashioned discipline starts in the mind. You must be ruthless with yourself, and make a determination Well, I think we're kind of in agreement here. I'd now need to essentially torture myself to do something that used to be a fun hobby, and required zero effort. > I'm reading this book Ok, but the problem is, _which_ book? Let's say you search for a JavaScript book on Amazon. It seems to yield more results than…

>torture It's not torture though, its a fight. Your mind is lying to you. Right now, you're not in control of your attention, and your mind doesn't want to give up that control. It's a mutiny! And you'll enjoy being the captain! >Ok, but the problem is, _which_ book? It seems you're a beginner programmer; you could do worse than "Eloquent JavaScript": https://www.alibris.com/booksearch?mtype=B&keyword=eloquent+... Th…

> It's not torture though, its a fight.

Either way, it's a struggle!

Btw. I've been toying with meditation and mindfulness on and off for a few years now. It's definitely hard work. So far I haven't succeeded in sticking to it for more than a few days at a time.

> It seems you're a beginner programmer; you could do worse than "Eloquent JavaScript":

Oh, sorry for not expressing my thoughts clearly enough. I'm a senior dev, I self-taught myself almost everything from books, starting before I even knew what Internet is, and later from early-Internet-era websites. Again, never considering it a chore, not preparing for a job, it was just a fun way to spend long winter evenings!

I only mentioned JavaScript as an example, slightly ironic, because you used to learn it from a few page long tutorial. The tutorial didn't need to be longer, because JS was mostly used for creating hover menus and animated snowflakes. You could go over it in 30-60 minutes and call it a day. And frankly, there were years when knowledge in that tutorial would be enough to land you a well-paying job. Today you have to push through 21 long chapters (of that book you mentioned), and it's still only the beginning. I feel genuinely sorry for people who are starting these days, web-dev in particular became so complex.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#30

I do, and don't have a good solution unfortunately. I'm more of a short attention span reader - I'll read a few paragraphs on something but usually not more. But I find myself reading constantly. So much so my wife keeps asking me to take a break and rest my eyes. As a result, I feel like I actually know a little bit about a whole lot, which isn't that useful other than maybe trivia. Also, my memory has become pretty…

This resonates w/me. When I read a book, I tend to remember at least something from it for years or even decades. As for blog posts or YouTube videos, most of them I forget by the next day. They seem to carry lots and lots of information, but give very little knowledge.
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