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Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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I don't. my family is all adult individuals so we all do whatever we want and are able. I do not go around imposing my beliefs upon them. They have their own problems to be bothered with mine too.

Yea... I can understand working with your significant other and managing your non-adult kids, but outside of that some of the comments here seem pretty invasive.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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I was literally looking for a MDM family solution - I have looked at Jamf pro etc but frankly it's a lot for family use (it's like 140 per person per year.)

There seems like a good OSS project - a bit of WMI a bit of bash - so I am interested if anyone has a idea.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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Here we go...

All secure tasks like handling of IDs, banking, trading, etc. must be done through managed Linux workstations (Landscape with master image), or managed VDI. Keepass is used to store credentials. There is a network storage accessible only to those workstations containing important documents. A second storage area is avaliable for unmanaged and Windows devices.

Windows devices have Group Policy set for update settings, but generally users can do whatever they like. Mobile devices are expected to be patched but they have free reign. Haven't found a good management solution for Windows and mobile yet.

Wifi uses EAP-TLS, no exceptions and no guest devices permitted. As a result IOT and smart home devices are not allowed on the network since they don't support EAP-TLS. Certificates are issued per device and allow access to different services like VPN etc.

I currently don't have managed switches so mobile devices and personal workstations do share the same network as my servers and such, but all local services like network storage are encrypted and require authentication. Ideally I'd have VLAN segregation, but this will have to wait for the next network upgrade.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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I preconfigure all windows machines in my family, and take away their local admin rights. No crapware installs, no disabling of updates or defender. No microsoft accounts. They get firefox browser with adblocker preinstalled. I manage their important passwords (eg fastmail) and trained them to rely on firefox sync for the recoverable accounts. I use MeshCentral for remote administration (amt)… its amazing for the pri…

You may be surprised to learn that removing admin rights is no longer (and never really did) protect against app installs. Many developers have figured out they can just install into the user’s profile.

Only apps that truly need admin rights (that install services, etc.) would be blocked. Everything else is wide open.

The admin rights restriction on app installs was almost just a convention that people followed. Now that the app incentives have changed (malicious apps don’t try to take over the machine anymore, they just try to steal your data), admin rights restrictions are becoming irrelevant.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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+ Family 1Password so everyone can securely manage passwords and share logins

+ Network is covered by pihole (and in exchange, plex/jellyfin/etc access works nicely)

+ Smart home stuff is managed by me. Everyone has admin rights but shared terminals (eg kitchen panel) are unpriviledged users.

+ Everyone has a home directory on the homelab they can back up to with as much space as they want (4tb+). I help them set it up if they ask.

+ Haven't done this yet but would like some kind of network level monitoring for threats (viruses, cryptominers, etc)

Things intentionally not done:

+ I don't install anything on folks devices.. at all, but never without their consent and without them having an off switch.

+ We have cams but everyone can turn them off and view recordings. Recordings are kept only for a short timeframe. Cams are all visible/known.

+ I intentionally collect no logs of dns or other stuff. When I do occasionally need to debug an issue, I let everyone know I am flipping on logs for a few minutes.

Empower users, don't control them.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a physical jail cell and a faraday cage and you'll only need to tighten the chains a little more!

Two of the four homes already have a faraday cage :) It was built by a german chemicals company and the reinforced concrete blocks signals.

I rented a place where the walls were lined with chicken wire. They used it to hold the plaster to the lath. I ended up needing to run a POE wifi AP to each room.

When I moved out I told the landlord that he should use it as a selling point, as some people in the area had just tried (and failed) to sue the library for not respecting their wifi allergy.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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+ Family 1Password so everyone can securely manage passwords and share logins + Network is covered by pihole (and in exchange, plex/jellyfin/etc access works nicely) + Smart home stuff is managed by me. Everyone has admin rights but shared terminals (eg kitchen panel) are unpriviledged users. + Everyone has a home directory on the homelab they can back up to with as much space as they want (4tb+). I help them set it…

This assumes some kind of knowledge your users have.

I install whatever I can to control/centralize the devices of my wife and parents. The less they know the better. Because your know, I am the 24/7/365 all-knowing support.

I do not do this with my teen kids. They can manage their stupid themselves. Until recently I had them tracked in Google maps but not anymore. They do see me though.

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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I make everybody get it out of the way now and post full nudes online so that we cannot be blackmailed.

Jokes aside,

> making sure they have control of their passwords and accounts in a safe matter.

This looks like two requirements. Control your passwords and accounts and safeguard them. Because saving via Chrome, though unpopular, is quite safe but you give up control.

I've found this to be useful lately as I go through and take control of my login credentials:

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/11/15/forget-your-passwords...

Re: Ask HN: Do you manage your family's digital safety?

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have a WhatsApp group where they can ask whether something is dodgy. They don't use it for chitchat, so anything that comes through, I treat urgently. I really like that idea.

Until an older relative uses that same group for something completely unrelated.

This actually happened to me and I gave up. I support them through every channel now and the family whatsapp chat is a messy, happy heap of everything.
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