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Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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I thought the same thing after seeing the Dall-E productions. As others have noted, they look good enough for a lot of commercial purposes—book and album covers, magazine and website illustrations, advertisements. My daughter is a professional illustrator, and I wondered how safe her career will be in the years ahead.

My tentative guess is that creators whose individual personality and identity are an important part of their appeal will be protected from obsolescence for the time being. Some commercial artists, like many “serious” artists, have public identities and distinctive styles that are part of their appeal; they should be able to continue charging decent rates for their work. But a lot of commercial art is anonymous, without the creators even being credited by name. Content producers will be happy to replace their work with cheaper, faster, easily customizable AI-generated work when they can.

A person starting out now as an artist, musician, or writer, in order to succeed, probably needs to put as much effort into creating a distinctive and attractive public personality as into honing their skills and producing superior work. Some creative people will be able and willing to do that, but it will be difficult for a lot of others.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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Any field that requires intelligence is safe, as intelligence requires self awareness

Garry Kasparov said he was the first knowledge worker who lost his job to AI. At the time, we defined chess as a sign of intelligence, practically an IQ test. But now, it's seen more as a series of patterns. I think we'll keep redefining intelligence to something that makes us feel special.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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I wouldn't say safe, but safEST is probably writing. Like creative writing where the narrative is something that spans hundreds or even thousands of pages with plot interactions that aren't directly apparent in the text itself. At least until a true AI/HCI is created. Most "AI" things are pretty superficial pattern recognition that are just better at unbiased processing of large "shallow" datasets.

I'm actually working on AI-aided writing.

First off, GPT-3 is terrible at plots and all long form writing. That doesn't mean that AI/computers are going to be bad at it. There's an algorithm. Many screenwriters today write based off Aristotle's Poetics or some variation of Hero's Journey. The West Wing is brilliant and deep, but it's also written around an algorithm.

We'll probably see some hybrid engines around this. Just like computers have GPUs and CPUs and RAM and HDDs. There will likely be an engine for plot, and another GPT-3 style one for "rendering" that plot.

A downside is that it does have a certain "voice". I would say its natural voice is similar to 16 year olds writing fan fiction. If you don't guide it well (and most don't), the outputs will all be similar, and they will sound tacky.

And so guiding will matter a lot. I see AI as possibly taking the role of scriptwriter and actor, but a human needs to take the role of a director. Most interpretations today are quite lazy and expect AI to do all the work. I think a form of creative coordination is needed. You still have to put your AI in a situation where they can be inspired. You can't just tell them to write out a full scene of a man confront his adulterous wife. You give them the saucy plotwriting from Patterson, snippets of over the top dialogue from Conan the Cimmerian, and you get some form of artwork.

But if you're not a good writer in the first place, you can't actually train AI to write well. Most of the parties interested in AI writing are screenwriters. It's sort of like accountants and engineers jumping after calculators. The machine doesn't obsolete them; it allows them to do more of the thing they wanted to do, and less of the tedious stuff they didn't want to.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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Any multidisciplinary / multi-domain design problem of sufficient complexity is not readily suited to automation. If you want to stay on the visual creativity wicket, consider getting in to VR educational experiences (massive opportunity: far superior to traditional teaching methods in many cases) and computer games (huge money in the industry, if you can get it).

I'm hugely interested in field of VR/AR education. I see a lot of potential for two reasons. First, VR offers amazing opportunities for content engagement, enabling high levels of interactivity and hands-on experimentation. Second, VR headsets shut off distractions, allowing for deeper and more sustained focus (compared to, for example, tablet "multimedia" textbooks).

The field comes with many challenges though. Accessibility is not yet figured out. Reading text in 3D with current tech is painful. And the technology is far from wide spread among target population.

I'd appreciate being pointed to any community or project wanting to advance the field. Especially ones trying to democratize the education in an open-source fashion.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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post #21

I thought the same thing after seeing the Dall-E productions. As others have noted, they look good enough for a lot of commercial purposes—book and album covers, magazine and website illustrations, advertisements. My daughter is a professional illustrator, and I wondered how safe her career will be in the years ahead. My tentative guess is that creators whose individual personality and identity are an important part…

This really isn't going to change much. DALLE-2 has and will likely for a long time have a lot of imperfections that will never be fixed. Due to the inherit way that these GANs work it's not going to force anyone really out of business. At most it could help artists with their day to day tasks but not really much more. You in effect have to create the proper datasets to even generate proper images itself. Even if the sample size required is getting substantially lower, increasing the barrier to entry. It will probably take hundred of thousands of images at the least to create a decent looking image. Each of which mind you is copyrighted. The quality of the images will be a new requirement for the field.

As Machine Learning Models are intellectual property we will likely see the unionification of artists as they work towards protecting the industry. Honestly the majority of these algorithms are going in the complete wrong direction and companies that use this will likely go bankrupt if google follows anything similar to amazon's business model.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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Any multidisciplinary / multi-domain design problem of sufficient complexity is not readily suited to automation. If you want to stay on the visual creativity wicket, consider getting in to VR educational experiences (massive opportunity: far superior to traditional teaching methods in many cases) and computer games (huge money in the industry, if you can get it).

I'm hugely interested in field of VR/AR education. I see a lot of potential for two reasons. First, VR offers amazing opportunities for content engagement, enabling high levels of interactivity and hands-on experimentation. Second, VR headsets shut off distractions, allowing for deeper and more sustained focus (compared to, for example, tablet "multimedia" textbooks). The field comes with many challenges though. Acce…

Sent you an email. If anyone else wants to collaborate maybe consider doing the same, perhaps we can get something going as a group.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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post #21

I thought the same thing after seeing the Dall-E productions. As others have noted, they look good enough for a lot of commercial purposes—book and album covers, magazine and website illustrations, advertisements. My daughter is a professional illustrator, and I wondered how safe her career will be in the years ahead. My tentative guess is that creators whose individual personality and identity are an important part…

There is also something cool and interesting about AI generated art currently because it is new and fresh. At some point though that will wear off.

Personally, I love hyperrealism when it comes to painting. Of course, a child could basically take a photograph now and be on par with a master hyperrealist compared to hundreds of years ago but the output in isolation is not what matters. The display of human skill is what is interesting about hyperrealism.

Most art people love is a display of human skill and/or the personality of the artist that can't be separated from the output.

Almost anyone can get a quality piano sampler, midi sequencer and then output classical piano virtuoso music at a tempo only Yuja Wang could currently play. You could even speed it up 10X if you wanted to complete inhuman tempos. No one cares about that output though. Exactly what makes this interesting is Yuja Wang's playing that seems inhuman.

This idea that AI is going to replace all human activity is transhumanist nonsense and a simpleton view of the world IMO.

Re: Ask HN: What creative field will be safe from AI?

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Food factories exist, it’s relatively cheap and easy to get a loaf of wonder bread. But, that hasn’t completely killed off bakeries. There is always going to be a demand for artisan versions off mass produced cookie cutter things. No matter how impressive an AI generated art can become it will always be devoid of real emotion and passion and people will realize that, even if only subconsciously.
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