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Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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Very helpful, thanks. In London, health insurance is normally provided by the company that you work for (at least all the companies I've worked for). And I can sign up my partner for an additional monthly fee as well. Is this not the case in Switzerland?

No, in Switzerland health insurance is strictly bought by individuals (and it's mandatory to have it).

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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If you're not white, don't move there. The Swiss culture is very unwelcoming to newcomers.

I'm sorry if this has been your experience. But I think at least in larger cities the situation is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be (Among other reasons because in a city like Zurich, the definition of what qualifies as "Swiss culture" is extremely fuzzy; there are people with all graduations of skin color, cultural background, and immigration status to be found).

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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I've been a coder in Switzerland and now I run a tech recruitment agency: https://coderfit.com - I focus solely on Zurich and surrounding regions.

1. Engineers are similarly in demand as everywhere in Europe

2. I'd say the "cost of living" to "after tax salaries" ratio is unbeatably good

3. 100% remote work: not that popular; why would I pay you 130k CHF remote when I can get someone in Ukraine for $50k?

I had cases where firms wanted a Swiss (German speaking) person and they paid 140k CHF for fully remote but this was an exception.

Ping me for any further questions: iwan@coderfit.com or better just cold call me: +41 77 986 9000 (I am on any messenger app like Signal, Whatsapp etc.)

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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If you're not white, don't move there. The Swiss culture is very unwelcoming to newcomers.

I've actually heard this the case for most immigrants, regardless of race. Would you say it's the case in the entire country, or more so the rural areas?

There are somewhat separate issues here: racism/xenophobia and standoffishness.

Regarding the first: Yes, I'm sure it exists, including, to some extent, in government representatives. It can express itself in more stark ways in rural areas (If you want to get naturalized and live in a rural village, the village gets to vote on your application; it larger places, the process purely bureaucratic). OTOH Switzerland is not a particularly violent country, so generally the racism does not express itself in physical violence.

The standoffishness is a big cultural thing. When we moved back to Switzerland after 8+ years in California, this was something we had to get used to again. OTOH, as others said, 25% of the population is foreign born, so you can always socialize with those… and, who knows, maybe over time you'll develop a taste yourself for keeping your distance and playing your cards close to your vest ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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I moved to Switzerland (from Denmark) almost a decade ago, and I’ve not regretted it. 1. If we’re talking software engineering, the demand is ultra-high. I’ve had to hire freelancers, because skilled software people are neigh-impossible to find. 2. Yeah, for engineers and other skilled workers, pay is very good, even the relatively high cost of living considered. 3. Before CV19, 100% remote was pretty rare. 1-2 days…

Super interesting. Can you share what is the consulting/freelance rate going for skilled software people?

Prices in excess of 1'000 CHF/day are not unusual if you get someone through an agency. Freelancer rates I’m less sure of, but they’re probably not far behind.

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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I moved to Switzerland (from Denmark) almost a decade ago, and I’ve not regretted it. 1. If we’re talking software engineering, the demand is ultra-high. I’ve had to hire freelancers, because skilled software people are neigh-impossible to find. 2. Yeah, for engineers and other skilled workers, pay is very good, even the relatively high cost of living considered. 3. Before CV19, 100% remote was pretty rare. 1-2 days…

Thanks! Are there any 'tech-specific' areas in Switzerland, or is it mostly just the big cities like Geneva & Zurich that have most of the tech jobs?

The two MIT-like schools in Switzerland, EPFL Lausanne and ETH Zürich are big tech hubs.

Also Google has a huge hub in Zürich, and most of the other big tech companies have offices there or in Zug. And as someone mentioned, there’s a lot of crypto-stuff going on in Zug.

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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I moved to Switzerland (from Denmark) almost a decade ago, and I’ve not regretted it. 1. If we’re talking software engineering, the demand is ultra-high. I’ve had to hire freelancers, because skilled software people are neigh-impossible to find. 2. Yeah, for engineers and other skilled workers, pay is very good, even the relatively high cost of living considered. 3. Before CV19, 100% remote was pretty rare. 1-2 days…

Is there any site where you can find jobs and/or freelance opportunities in Switzerland?

I’ve never really needed to look for work, but https://www.jobs.ch/en/ is one of the big ones. Lots of smaller portals too.

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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If you're not white, don't move there. The Swiss culture is very unwelcoming to newcomers.

This is mostly true if you come from certain nationalities and/or places. Arabs and people from the Balkans have a bad reputation because they are seen as sources of crime and or violence in the traditionally quaint Swiss society.

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! Are there any 'tech-specific' areas in Switzerland, or is it mostly just the big cities like Geneva & Zurich that have most of the tech jobs?

The two MIT-like schools in Switzerland, EPFL Lausanne and ETH Zürich are big tech hubs. Also Google has a huge hub in Zürich, and most of the other big tech companies have offices there or in Zug. And as someone mentioned, there’s a lot of crypto-stuff going on in Zug.

Oh and before I forget, Bern has a bunch of OpenData/government IT stuff going on, and Basel is a hub for medical companies (Novartis and friends), and thus has a lot of med-tech companies.

Re: Ask HN: Engineering Job Market in Switzerland?

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If you're not white, don't move there. The Swiss culture is very unwelcoming to newcomers.

prashp, why are you spreading such rumors on the internet? About 25% [1] of the population are foreigners, so it can't be that bad? If you're not white, still move here (I've been living here since 2016, love it). If you work in IT you most likely end up in a bigger city anyway, and as in most big cities in western europe nobody cares about the color of your skin. Or what languages besides english you speak. [1] http…

> About 25% [1] of the population are foreigners, so it can't be that bad?

It's not a convincing argument. As counterexample, until not to recently, black people were a sizable portion of the US population, and it was literally that bad for them...

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