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Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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Nothing (except for badges/karma which are intangible and cannot be translated to $$). Once you start offering anything tangible to me, I start thinking about how does it translate to my hourly rate and this is where you will fail. So much has been written about why Amazon has the best reviews ever without ever paying a cent. Why Wikipedia is the greatest encyclopedia ever with last (and only) paid contributor back i…

Does Badge/Karma work with all types of audience?

Not really. Don't think of badges & karma too literally. They are just tools to provide gratification.

It wouldn't be effective for Wikipedia since only the feeling that you are contributing to the most popular encyclopedia in the world gives you enough gratification to do it. Linux contributors don't need badges for the very similar reasons too.

But of course, the smaller you are, more tools and tricks you need to utilize to help users feel gratification for their contribution. This is the key.

Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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karma would be the best thing, IMHNO. it has no monetary value, but can have social value. the "free labour" to your site is just that - free(monetarily, anyway). it has no monetary value in and of itself. as others have pointed out, once you do start to assign monetary value to it, then greed begins to naturally take hold and people just game the system even more. someone who is a frequent contributor on many sites, though - they tend to acquire rep - on the internet, no less, and will naturally attract all the things that a good rep attracts, which some would say is worth far more than money.

think of it like this - when you play a game of Monopoly, you're playing for play money. you get rich in the game, but the money you earn there is worthless outside of the game. at best you might earn some rep among your friends for winning (more than likely tho, they're a little pissed at you for screwing them in the game in order to win), and even that is pretty worthless outside of your social circle.

take the same game and play it with real money, and now it is gambling. see the difference?

Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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It all depends on what kind of community/website it is.

Communities like HN/StackOverflow - Why do people contribute here? Though there is reward system is in place here(karma) but I doubt if that acts as primary motivation. In such community, my contribution is your reward and your contribution is my reward. YC isn't getting any direct monitory benefits from HN but having a good successful community of hackers helps them indirectly in many ways. So, it's a win-win situation for everyone.

Products like Google, Gmail,Facebook etc. - Isn't it rewarding enough in itself to be able to use such excellent products free of cost(even if it comes with minimal text ads)?

The bottom line is that if you are using a website because it is providing some kind of value to you and your contribution is actually helping it in providing even more value back to users, you shouldn't think about monitory awards.

If it is not providing anything valuable, you won't be using it, even if it is free.

If you are getting paid for using something or contributing, it means the site in itself isn't that valuable to you. So, they lure you through monitory benefits. For example, paid surveys.

Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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What about a relationship and contact with other cool people? I would be much more interested in contributing high quality content/interactions/whatever to a site if better contributions gave me more interaction with other top contributors in ways that were mutually beneficial.

Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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You have to be very careful when you start offering real rewards. People will game the system for free, but nothing like the level of gaming that goes on for a reward. You'll end up with absolute crap. And don't assume that people 'working for free' are getting nothing of it. They obviously enjoy it, or they wouldn't do it. Offering a tangible reward will change their motivation. The result of both of those is often…

indeed. this: http://www.amazon.com/Reality-Broken-Games-Better-Change/dp/... cites research that shows that people work waaay less hard on something when monetary reward is offered, than when it's just for free.

Re: Ask HN: I need you but have no money. What can I offer you instead?

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You have to be very careful when you start offering real rewards. People will game the system for free, but nothing like the level of gaming that goes on for a reward. You'll end up with absolute crap. And don't assume that people 'working for free' are getting nothing of it. They obviously enjoy it, or they wouldn't do it. Offering a tangible reward will change their motivation. The result of both of those is often…

I've done some projects on Mechanical Turk (spent enough to get an account rep!) and I can definitely say that offers of money will bring in people who will (1) rip you off or (2) do the minimum work required to get paid.

The type (1)'s are easy to deal with because there are ways to check people's work. They just don't get paid. The type (2)'s are harder -- there's a population of Turks that I call Superturks that spend a lot of time Turking. If you make a histogram of how many HITs everybody did, they'll be the people who did the most.

The trouble with Superturks is that the quality of the work they do is worse than average, usually just good enough that you wouldn't feel comfortable rejecting their work. I know I could get better quality if I banned them, but I find it hard to do.

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