You could accept Bitcoin as payment though your accountant may then find taxes frightening. It's not practical really no. There are ways (the way people did it before stripe). But it's much more painful and buerocratic. Stripe is quite friendly compared to the old way.
Doesn't Bitcoin have transaction fees ?
Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
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Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#22Yes, make your customers mail you a check or cash /s
In the UK if you really didn’t want to use a processor you could ask people to bank transfer you cash (free for both parties with Faster Payments) or send cheques, although most banks are phasing them out. There are definitely web stores which have this as an option and I’ve seen it in NZ too. The downside is manual labour and a transfer speed of O(minutes). I used to help run a summer camp in Europe and we always to…
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#23How do you expect to get paid? That is a serious question, by the way. In general, let's say that you want to use credit card. That pretty much put you at the mercy of Visa & Mastercard. They charge you fees, and the cost of managing the interaction with them is significant. You can accept wire transfers, but note that this probably means quite a bit of dealing with the backend financial stuff (user paid, but didn't…
I think this raises really great points - but I think there is one additional major question too which is "what scale are you dealing at?". If you are handling billions of dollars in sales, then yes, rolling your own payment infrastructure will probably be worthwhile, but at that scale you will also be getting a very different commercial offer from the payment gateways anyway. If you 'only' have a million dollars in…
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#24Likely only option is pickup and delivery with cash payment or keep crypto only never cash out. I don’t think the latter is convenient though.
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#25Take payment in crypto. Something like BCH if you want to minimize network fees. Programmatically move your funds to an exchange and convert to USD using your exchange’s API if you don’t want to hold crypto. Easy weekend project.
- Get BTC from customer with X value in USD at time of sale
- Trade to USD with Y value at time of trade
- Track AND report gain/loss between X and Y values
…so in addition to all of the accounting and reporting overhead you get the added benefit of never really knowing what you’re selling anything for in your local currency.
Unless you’re a cryptocurrency maximalist or selling to a cryptocurrency audience this just doesn’t make any sense.
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Currency/btc conversion fees are more expensive than any transaction fee. Not sure what exchange you're using, but 0.1% on market trades is pretty common. That's very low compared to most fees.
You are misunderstanding the op. He wants a payment processor for merchants, eg. bitpay. 1% transaction fee Exchanges then have a: - 0,1 % withdrawal fee - Unknown/hidden? currency conversion fee. I would think there is a fee here, but i didn't find it documented. Additionally, exchanges like Binance are banned in many places ( because of tether fraud). Coinbase would be one of the only exchanges to consider as a bus…
Job done.
Downvoters: So you are saying businesses can't use it?
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are misunderstanding the op. He wants a payment processor for merchants, eg. bitpay. 1% transaction fee Exchanges then have a: - 0,1 % withdrawal fee - Unknown/hidden? currency conversion fee. I would think there is a fee here, but i didn't find it documented. Additionally, exchanges like Binance are banned in many places ( because of tether fraud). Coinbase would be one of the only exchanges to consider as a bus…
And this has all been solved with the USDC stablecoin sitting on cryptocurrencies like Stellar. Just use that. Job done. Downvoters: So you are saying businesses can't use it?
Pegged to it doesn't mean it's the same.
While USDC is backed by Coinbase and more trustworthy than Tether. A lot of it is still going to uncharted territory.
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#28I never sold things that way, but I bought stuff couple of times paying cash.
Re: Ask HN: Can payment processors like Stripe and their fees be avoided?
#29How do you expect to get paid? That is a serious question, by the way. In general, let's say that you want to use credit card. That pretty much put you at the mercy of Visa & Mastercard. They charge you fees, and the cost of managing the interaction with them is significant. You can accept wire transfers, but note that this probably means quite a bit of dealing with the backend financial stuff (user paid, but didn't…
I signed up for Stripe thinking it was the case but it turns out they don't handle VAT and taxes and I have to find something else (looking into Paddle and I would be grateful for suggestions and ideas). How are people here dealing with VAT and taxes for their SaaS in 2021. Company is in France, Europe. Clients could be anywhere.
I wanted a one stop shop and thought Stripe did that.