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Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#21
>Is this how it's like at all large companies?

Not all, but a lot.

>What should I do?

Short term: Mentally check out. Embrace the Zen of just doing what's asked of you. It's not your job to be a go-getter anymore. Half because of institutional complexity/inertia, and half because in a tall organization hierarchy the middle managers don't want anyone below them swimming outside their lane (even if it would be to their unit's benefit and they can take every ounce of credit).

You'll notice that many people in this thread explaining why you shouldn't expect this or that from other teams. And they're not wrong, but none of them are acknowledging or explaining why those reasons weren't automatically communicated in your conversation with those teams. You're not only not seen as a problem solver anymore, you're also too low on the totem pole to be owed an explanation.

So follow the official processes to adapt their system to your product, and your product to their system. Keep your management in the loop about the time cost of both options, it's their problem to fix, not yours. Pour your mental energy into something outside work.

Long term: Decide if you like being checked out or want a new job.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#22

I'd suggest you leave and find something else. It doesn't sound like you are cut out to handle the corporation structure politics. > So I reach out to the manager and ask what is going on. This is a simple task, I said. Why does it take an entire quarter for your team to deliver? He doesn't have an answer. This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere fo…

> This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere for the next round of downsizing.

O man! I believe OP has a lot of insight into corporate dynamics. It exactly happened to a friend of mine. Those corporate seasonal managers does not like to be questioned or give any input. A friend of mine did something similar, and guess what - he was laid off after few weeks; very shortly after starting at a mega corp $

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#23

Those feature request intakes occur because otherwise infra teams become bombarded with multiple requests per day. In isolation they're not much work, but the cumulative requests could take years and truly need prioritization. Being a recently acquisition, I recommend scheduling time with their manager to talk directly about your situation and trying to get on as part of their primary priorities. If that doesn't work…

It sounds pretty standard, and it doesn't sound like the OP has put a lot of work into considering why it works the way it does.

Know that annoying executive who likes to come to the development team and ask them for work? That's what the OP is doing. And how he then loudly laments that he will have to follow some process to have his request added to a backlog, before, at some opportune time in the future, it can be considered and possibly scheduled for being implemented? Yup, OP again.

We hate it when process hits us, but you'd hate it even more if there was none.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#24
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere for the next round of downsizing. Uh? I think it’s pretty random to say that kind of stuff without knowing anything about the new company. I can’t see any decent company firing newly acquired employees because they want to move fast…

> I think it’s pretty random to say that kind of stuff without knowing anything about the new company. Works both ways, right? Probably the key negative was: > This is a simple task Is it? OP has no idea about the software it's being integrated into, and while it may _seem_ like a simple task in principle, it may not be, and it's a judgement on the work that's on another team to deal with. Quite easy to fall into a t…

> Is it? OP has no idea about the software it's being integrated into, and while it may _seem_ like a simple task in principle, it may not be, and it's a judgement on the work that's on another team to deal with. Quite easy to fall into a trap of trivializing work that you yourself aren't responsible for.

Right! May be the team/manager he was talking to - had no capacity left for the current quarter. There could be dependencies on other teams that might require some planning etc

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#25

I'd suggest you leave and find something else. It doesn't sound like you are cut out to handle the corporation structure politics. > So I reach out to the manager and ask what is going on. This is a simple task, I said. Why does it take an entire quarter for your team to deliver? He doesn't have an answer. This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere fo…

> This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere for the next round of downsizing.

Almost certainly not. This requires actual malice on the part of the manager in question. The manager in question doesn’t have any direct authority over OP (unless OP is really bad at storytelling) so would have to go way out of their way to hurt OPs career. Much more likely, the manager doesn’t care about OP at all, because why would they?

But yeah, unless OP is waiting on piles of stock to vest, move on. But because they are unhappy, not because of this random manager.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#27

I'd suggest you leave and find something else. It doesn't sound like you are cut out to handle the corporation structure politics. > So I reach out to the manager and ask what is going on. This is a simple task, I said. Why does it take an entire quarter for your team to deliver? He doesn't have an answer. This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere fo…

> This was probably career ending at your company, I expect you have been added to a layoff shortlist somewhere for the next round of downsizing. O man! I believe OP has a lot of insight into corporate dynamics. It exactly happened to a friend of mine. Those corporate seasonal managers does not like to be questioned or give any input. A friend of mine did something similar, and guess what - he was laid off after few…

Not only did they fire him for daring to question a manager, they fired a bunch of other people to cover their tracks!

It’s almost as if layoffs are common after acquisitions and correlation is not causation.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#28
You wanted something done, you explained why it should be done, they agreed and will implement it.

I would quit that job immediately! I'm not even being sarcastic. If it bothers you that much that people like to plan things and that takes too much time according to you then yes, just quit. I've been on the other end of things where someone said: "Oh, I can implement this in 5 minutes". The first few persons I would happily explain why this isn't the case, but after that.. thank you managers for isolating me from this crap.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#29
> Finally, after many rounds of arguing about why this needs to be done in the first place (ahem: you told us to migrate to your platform, and it literally does not work for our app), they quote us a delivery timeline of end of Q1 in 2022.

This is where your manager (and if necessary their manager) needs to get involved. Is this actually important and urgent work? If so, they need to work with this other team’s management to get this done. If not, it can wait.

What you’re describing sounds like a particularly dysfunctional and bureaucratic corporation, but dealing with politics like this (and that’s exactly what this is) is part of being in a large company. Cynical people will say that everyone is just trying to protect their fiefdom, but most people are just trying to do the most important work.

That team you’re asking for work probably has hundreds of feature requests every quarter. The process is intended to protect the engineers from being randomized constantly by low value requests. But yeah, the trade off, especially if taken to extremes like this, is that it can slow collaboration to a crawl.

Re: Ask HN: Startup acquired by a large company and it sucks. What to do?

#30
Just leave, seriously. I spent way too much time in the same situation waiting for things to get better and they never did. I did this twice; once for 6 years and one for 2. It won't get better, but it will make you worse at your craft. The only regret I had was I should have done it sooner.
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