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Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I don't want to sound like a smart ass, but I feel like a good alternative to Alexa is just doing all that yourself.

I have never had an Alexa but surely there isn't that much time saved by having it turn off lights. Siri on your iPhone can set alarms and shopping lists and presumably your phone it always around you.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

What a bizarre situation.

For what it's worth, Google Homes don't have this drop-in feature. You can make calls and make announcements, but both require the person on the other end to actively answer or respond.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a terrible suggestion. "Taking Apple's word on it" is not a valid privacy strategy. Companies have shown time and again that they lie about what is happening behind the scenes, or even just change their policies for the worst. Then there are rogue employees, such as the Ubiquiti fiasco, and secret government data collection, such as PRISM, of which Apple was a participant. Apple has broken trust multiple time…

> "Taking Apple's word on it" is not a valid privacy strategy. I respectfully disagree. If Apple says "we don't do X", and then is shown to do X, that would be a massive PR disaster. Whereas Amazon makes no privacy promises at all. In fact, they promise the opposite.

Granted that Amazon doesn't pretend too much to not be spying on you. Carefully read Apple's policies and statements to see where they give themselves plenty of wiggle room. Unfortunately most consumers' knowledge is no match for their PR and legal team's. Apple markets their products on privacy, but countless studies and analysis finds this to be a lot of theater.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I've been wanting pretty bad to help my Google-Home-dependent family back home with this. They mostly need voice-controlled music and lights.

First off, unless you want to really DIY the glue-code, you want to use HomeAssistant (huge community) or NodeRED.

The only part I'm uncertain about and haven't explored properly myself is the voice-to-text part. Any solution should be pluggable into HA or NR.

Relevant threads in HA voice-assistant sub-forum:

* https://community.home-assistant.io/t/replacing-alexa-or-goo... (Ada, Rhasspy and other FOSS alternatives)

* https://community.home-assistant.io/t/local-voice-control/29... (you can apparently use Alexa for voice control even if it does not have any internet access)

* https://community.home-assistant.io/t/best-option-for-local-... (local TTS)

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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post #17

I’m also very interested in an answer. We use Alexa a lot, but this week I had to unplug every Alexa in the house because a distant family member had gained access to the family Amazon account and was trying to use the “drop in” feature to listen to our conversations. In the course of our investigation I found out that Alexa does not log privacy related events at all (there is no record of a drop in stored anywhere),…

That deserves its own post. This reminds me of when Samsung sent the press release that people shouldn’t discuss personal things near their television, because an unpatchable product of their allowed anyone who knew how to tap into the tv mics…

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I've heard of Mycroft before but have no personal experience with it: https://mycroft.ai It seems like they have an open source client that you can run on your own hardware but it's still dependent on the backend services that Mycroft-the-company provides. Perhaps their privacy stance is more palatable to you, though? I think there used to be a project that was fully on-device but it got bought and consumed by Sonos

I tried it on a RPI, but at that time it was limited by not being able to use microphone from bluetooth.

Re: Ask HN: Private Alternatives to Alexa?

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I've heard of Mycroft before but have no personal experience with it: https://mycroft.ai It seems like they have an open source client that you can run on your own hardware but it's still dependent on the backend services that Mycroft-the-company provides. Perhaps their privacy stance is more palatable to you, though? I think there used to be a project that was fully on-device but it got bought and consumed by Sonos

I'm in the same situation as OP and spent a weekend chasing this particular rabbit hole a few months ago. Mycroft was the best option I found, but:

* changing the wake word was a pain

* having a Home account is essentially mandatory (kind of defeating the point)

* speech synthesis was really bad

* It needed a lot of rhetorical help to get useful responses.

Just getting to that point involved several hours of fairly hardcore debugging and even then basic issues like reliable mic input still existed.

I also couldn't find reasonably priced (<$100) speakers/mics in an Alexa form factor, but it wouldn't be fair to blame that on the mycroft team.

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