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Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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I use the LightPhone. IMO, eInk takes things maybe a bit too far. The refresh rate is terrible and I have yet to seen an eInk phone that has a good texting experience. Most of the companies doing this are trying to get people off their smartphones (a goal I agree with). But making texting harder ironically leads to me using the phone longer than I would if I had an easy way to send a text. The battery life and visibi…

To be clear, the Light Phone does have an e-ink display. You're not happy with that?

https://www.gq.com/story/light-phone-2-review

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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Alec of the YouTube channel Technology Connections has a video[1] about his experience with an E-Ink device on his second channel. He wanted to see if this would improve his productivity, so it's not exactly the same as your question, but it's still worth a watch, imho. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NfX0vlCa4k

Off topic but this YouTube channel is truly a gem. Interesting, clever, and entertaining. With a lot of personality.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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I live in places where the sun always shines; it's almost impossible to work normally outside (which is my preferred office) without eInk. I wish there were more laptops because it works fine for coding (I have Boox devices which I use sometimes to write code). Phone same thing. Of course with the great extra of having very long battery life. My wife writes/reads books on eInk devices and I do reading, browsing and s…

Living the e-ink dream. I keep waiting for some sort of ARM powered e-ink laptop to materialize out of the ether, but it hasn't happened yet.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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I live in places where the sun always shines; it's almost impossible to work normally outside (which is my preferred office) without eInk. I wish there were more laptops because it works fine for coding (I have Boox devices which I use sometimes to write code). Phone same thing. Of course with the great extra of having very long battery life. My wife writes/reads books on eInk devices and I do reading, browsing and s…

Living the e-ink dream. I keep waiting for some sort of ARM powered e-ink laptop to materialize out of the ether, but it hasn't happened yet.

Yeah, same, so I 'wing it' by having a Linux machine in my bag and ssh.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are color touchscreens (Boox has one, there are phones that have those), but yeah I work in monochrome when there is sun or when I run out of battery; it works very well for me. But obviously YMMV! It beats sitting inside or squinting into my Macbook screen by a large stretch.

What about the refresh/redraw speed? I suppose e-ink has evolved past Kindle Paperwhite standards, because otherwise I can't see how you can use it for coding. Turning a page has a terrible redraw speed, it would drive me mad -- it looks like it was with LCD screens when they were first introduced: terrible. It doesn't matter for reading books, of course.

Yes, this is not as fast, but I got used to it quite quickly. I think you need ten finger typing or you might get very frustrated.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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post #22
post #12

Alec of the YouTube channel Technology Connections has a video[1] about his experience with an E-Ink device on his second channel. He wanted to see if this would improve his productivity, so it's not exactly the same as your question, but it's still worth a watch, imho. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NfX0vlCa4k

Off topic but this YouTube channel is truly a gem. Interesting, clever, and entertaining. With a lot of personality.

And he doesn’t swear, so you can show it to curious kids without worrying about expanding their vocabulary in ways you didn’t intend.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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Great battery life, light.Great for ebooks. I wish there was a laptop option as well, like HP's old Omnibook. Color is not required for many applications.

Or like the Gameboy Color's screen, you NEEDED external light to see it.

There are now cheap backlight+better LCD mods for the GBC, though. Backlight LCD >>>> ambient light LCD.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are color touchscreens (Boox has one, there are phones that have those), but yeah I work in monochrome when there is sun or when I run out of battery; it works very well for me. But obviously YMMV! It beats sitting inside or squinting into my Macbook screen by a large stretch.

What about the refresh/redraw speed? I suppose e-ink has evolved past Kindle Paperwhite standards, because otherwise I can't see how you can use it for coding. Turning a page has a terrible redraw speed, it would drive me mad -- it looks like it was with LCD screens when they were first introduced: terrible. It doesn't matter for reading books, of course.

In addition to using older technology, it's also possible that the Kindle makes different tradeoffs in terms of speed/contrast/ghosting/resolution. Personally, when reading, refresh speed is the property that I care least about among those four. I'd be surprised if engineers couldn't improve refresh speed when designing a panel for a laptop instead of an ebook reader.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the refresh/redraw speed? I suppose e-ink has evolved past Kindle Paperwhite standards, because otherwise I can't see how you can use it for coding. Turning a page has a terrible redraw speed, it would drive me mad -- it looks like it was with LCD screens when they were first introduced: terrible. It doesn't matter for reading books, of course.

I'm sure you don't have to wait for each letter to appear before typing the next, I would expect some slowdown but I don't think it would be as bad as you seem to imagine

Depends on how sensitive you are. For Kindle/book reading the image is static for long periods of time. For "interactive" screens (like when coding) it would drive me mad.

I was one of those people who could notice poor refresh rates in CRT (clicking teeth made it worse) and it drove me crazy.

This tech is not for me then.

Re: Ask HN: Why E-Ink Phones?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the refresh/redraw speed? I suppose e-ink has evolved past Kindle Paperwhite standards, because otherwise I can't see how you can use it for coding. Turning a page has a terrible redraw speed, it would drive me mad -- it looks like it was with LCD screens when they were first introduced: terrible. It doesn't matter for reading books, of course.

Yes, this is not as fast, but I got used to it quite quickly. I think you need ten finger typing or you might get very frustrated.

Ghosting drove me crazy with CRTs and older LCDs, so I guess this is not for me.
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