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Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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It's been a long time since I worked at Google but when I did (10 yrs ago), the search system for the intranet was notoriously awful. Part of the reason was that PageRank tends not to work so well in places where things aren't heavily cross-linked, which is a hard place to get to if you search system already sucks.

I always found those complaints funny. Google's internal search was and is light years ahead of every other company's. Those complaints were probably coming from people who never worked at any other large company and were expecting internal search to be as good as web search despite the relatively tiny corpus.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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I'm my experience almost everything that Atlassian makes is total garbage. Bitbucket, Jira, Confluence, etc. are all horribly slow to the point of being unusable and most of it has very poor UI/UX. I pretty much don't recommend anything they make. It's not surprising at all that a fundamental feature of a wiki, search, doesn't work very well.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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I'm my experience almost everything that Atlassian makes is total garbage. Bitbucket, Jira, Confluence, etc. are all horribly slow to the point of being unusable and most of it has very poor UI/UX. I pretty much don't recommend anything they make. It's not surprising at all that a fundamental feature of a wiki, search , doesn't work very well.

That's what everyone has said about every piece of enterprise software ever.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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post #24

I'm my experience almost everything that Atlassian makes is total garbage. Bitbucket, Jira, Confluence, etc. are all horribly slow to the point of being unusable and most of it has very poor UI/UX. I pretty much don't recommend anything they make. It's not surprising at all that a fundamental feature of a wiki, search , doesn't work very well.

That's what everyone has said about every piece of enterprise software ever.

It's the incentives that are in place. Most enterprises buy products based on feature sets. Therefore, enterprise software companies prioritize delivering features.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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I'm my experience almost everything that Atlassian makes is total garbage. Bitbucket, Jira, Confluence, etc. are all horribly slow to the point of being unusable and most of it has very poor UI/UX. I pretty much don't recommend anything they make. It's not surprising at all that a fundamental feature of a wiki, search , doesn't work very well.

IMO bitbucket is okay. Its UX for PRs is amazing, 1000x better than Githubs. Especially its side by side diff.

This concludes, and fully encompasses, everything good that I have to say about Atlassian products.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Confluence Wiki Search so bad?

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The good news here is that the Confluence API is actually really good, and very easy to integrate with. I wrote a custom search engine that worked by running on cron, pulling in all of the content from Confluence and writing it into a SQLite table with SQLite full-text search enabled (using https://sqlite-utils.datasette.io/en/stable/python-api.html#... ), then sticking a https://datasette.io/ interface in front of i…

The API for writing docs/content to confluence is the worst i've ever seen. You are expected to use their custom syntax which then gets converted again before rendering.

The docs for the POST content literally says to write what you want in confluences WYSIWYG, then do a GET API call to see what it should look like.

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