You can read the Microsoft counter-suit and get a complete factual history of this case. You can read about how Kelora systems was just created a few months ago and was just assigned the patent (presumably so they could appeal the case under a different entity and continue to try and extract settlements while the real case is being decided - speculation on my part based off of the MS countersuit).
If you read the history (as detailed in the MS counter-suit), you'll see that the patent was recently invalidated and is now being appealed. I am extremely surprised that a legitimate law firm like Manatt would actually take this case and engage in such tactics. Strange times, indeed.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/61865036/Microsoft-v-PartsRiver-...
Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
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Re: Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
#22At this point you have two options, pay 150K or contact your lawyer.
At 150k, they should probably consult with their lawyer for a bit anyways.
you make a good point. if you are paying $150,000, you should at least talk to a laywer to make sure you are getting the "license" they claim to be offering.
You really have 1 viable option at this point - talk to a very good patent attorney.
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#23Oh, and if you've been targeted by them, reach out to me and let me know. I'm hearing that there may have been some mistakes made by this law firm in their process which may expose them to some legal dangers, themselves. If you've been targeted by them, I'd be happy to share what I know, but won't do it in a public forum. Not yet. I have been asked to help gather info that may prove very useful in a push-back, info w…
I was targeted by them as well. Not sure how to contact you?
Re: Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
#24"on-sale bar in 35 U.S.C. § 102(b) rendered the patent invalid."
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#25"on-sale bar in 35 U.S.C. § 102(b) rendered the patent invalid."
"(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country, more than one year prior to the date of the application for patent in the United States, or"
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35...
Re: Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
#26Oh, and if you've been targeted by them, reach out to me and let me know. I'm hearing that there may have been some mistakes made by this law firm in their process which may expose them to some legal dangers, themselves. If you've been targeted by them, I'd be happy to share what I know, but won't do it in a public forum. Not yet. I have been asked to help gather info that may prove very useful in a push-back, info w…
just opened the letter from their office in Palo Alto today, first night reading up on it.. i'm more than interested with what you have at this point.
email zeetee33@yahoo.com
Re: Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
#27"on-sale bar in 35 U.S.C. § 102(b) rendered the patent invalid."
"(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country, more than one year prior to the date of the application for patent in the United States, or" http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35...
its being held up because they're appealing the judgement made with microsoft,etc... so they're trying to suck the most blood they can while they can.. even though its bullsh!t, its a headache, and another isnt needed. it's a last strike for them.
even though many may feel the appeal will be withdrawn, its still a headache.. Options i feel are..
a) pay an attorney to try and delay it until the appeal is decided. b) take out the search until the appeal is decided. c) pay they're $150,000 (f'n nutz) if it will grow ur sales by the time the decision of the appeal.
Re: Ask HN: We just got patent trolled by Kelora Systems. Need Advice
#28Oh, and if you've been targeted by them, reach out to me and let me know. I'm hearing that there may have been some mistakes made by this law firm in their process which may expose them to some legal dangers, themselves. If you've been targeted by them, I'd be happy to share what I know, but won't do it in a public forum. Not yet. I have been asked to help gather info that may prove very useful in a push-back, info w…
Same here. Would love to know more. Email is djhillssc@gmail.com
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#29I just got the same letter...going to contact a patent lawyer and see where that gets me. This is crazy...please email me at jeff@hansenwholesale.com with any extra info that you may have...I will do the same.
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#30We also received the letter. We have several attorneys working on this right now. One attorney we just learned of is Sid Leach in Phoenix, he specializes in patent law and has spent considerable time dealing with patent trolls. Our attorneys will be contacting him in addition to the work they are already doing. Many, many companies have received this letter. Our current take is that the patent will ultimately be proved invalid, but that is yet to be decided because it has not been litigated on its merit yet.