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Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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Like others, I agree this is not a facts problem. This is a relationship problem. You should find a therapist with business experience or an executive coach. Commit to going weekly for at least 6 month.

From the way you describe it though, it sounds like his approach life has always worked for him. People rarely change in that situation. So in your shoes I'd be asking myself a) whether according to his values and desires he's sufficiently motivated to make a deep personal change, and b) if not, what relationship structure would work for everybody?

As an example of the latter, if he's not emotionally ready for business partnership, is their a relationship that lets him generate value without messing up the wider system? E.g., what if you were the 51% owner and CEO, with him being Founder and Chief Scientist or some other title that implies prestige but no executive authority? Then you give him an assistant and a series of things to get done so that he can be happy and productive, but he can't actually block the kind of structure you need to run a business at scale.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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You don’t need a book; you need to find one tiny example/experiment where putting in place a simple, visual information system will make things better according to them . Then, build from there. You’re not going to get him to make a large change to, from his perspective, accommodate your need for structure. Get a small whiteboard and make some kind of magnetic status system for jobs or whatever. Nothing that uses a s…

That has come up in my mind and it makes sense. My biggest concern on this one is that it makes task management my responsibility, which at the end means that I have to go after him if he doesn't follow his deadlines for example. And I don't want to have this dynamic, at least in this way.

Find a time just after poor communication led to confusion led to a bad customer outcome. It’s easier to get people to take pain killers than vitamins.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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You picked a cofounder who has never worked on a team or had a structured job in his life? He’s unwilling to install Discord to communicate with the team but you expect him to read and absorb time management and teamwork books? Sorry for the snark but what the heck are you thinking ... sounds like you have an intern, not a business partner.

I disagree with the intern notion. Maybe he has a mentor, (the founder I successful sofar) and should try to learn some things, and then develop a new joint approach.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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> So, no - giving him something to read would not be accepted as patronising, he would gladly accept. The alternative is long lectures from me and I don't think I am so well prepared or structured.

I'm skeptical that either of the solutions you've settled on are the right ones - both, for me feel a bit broadcast mode. When I read your post I worry about the level of trust and psychological safety between you both, so thats what I'd be working on. I think you'd be better served having open two-way chats about work; sharing fears, hopes and dreams as a start.

I get its not always neat determining how things start - as others have said there are a few smells there. To be blunt - its unclear to me if the other person in the relationship will 100% see it the same way as you do in the partner vs co-founder thing. You think there is a problem with terminology, but think he's got the same definition of co-founder as you? I'm skeptical - but only you can truly appraise what type of relationship you have and if the distinction really matters to you.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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No, that's like giving your wife a book on weight loss, the onus is on you to triple the sales and then the hobbyist starts wondering how his going to get that done.

I think it is more like him giving me the book The Goal by Eliyahu M. Goldratt (which was great and opened my eyes a lot) and me returning the gesture. On the other thing - I've just 2.5x-ed the sales now but we are working out together how to scale production. So I am looking on ways to optimise our relationship.

The Goal is a book that influenced me over 25 years ago. The concepts are sound but i have gifted it to over 20 people since and a handful get it for what it is. However it isn’t a book about business and more a story about complexity and constraints applied to a theoretical business. I have never had occasions where there is an aha moment about a business i am in that literally is explained in The Goal.

It seems to me you have the makings of a good partnership and i have read your comments and it does look like you are committed. In my opinion you could shift to looking at how your customers view your business and working backwards. It might be that your answers are to be less self obsessed and more customer obsessed. Not saying you are not doing this already but in my view the hierarchy for a business prioritises the customer first and works backwards. Issues in your partnership can then be weighed against this mission. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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> So, no - giving him something to read would not be accepted as patronising, he would gladly accept. The alternative is long lectures from me and I don't think I am so well prepared or structured. I'm skeptical that either of the solutions you've settled on are the right ones - both, for me feel a bit broadcast mode. When I read your post I worry about the level of trust and psychological safety between you both, so…

It doesn't really matter for me to count myself as a co-founder of what we have in our hands now. I used this term mostly since the growth stage co-founder dynamics are what we need to work on now and wanted to frame my question with it.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

#28

I would look at the Rockefeller Habits and the One Page Strategic Plan method. Put it up physically in the office, and make a daily and weekly review together, then someone (you) can share it digitally with everyone else.

Reviewing the OPSP now, thanks! Looks like something that we can go through together (even once) and get big benefits from the discussions and decisions it poses.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has come up in my mind and it makes sense. My biggest concern on this one is that it makes task management my responsibility, which at the end means that I have to go after him if he doesn't follow his deadlines for example. And I don't want to have this dynamic, at least in this way.

Find a time just after poor communication led to confusion led to a bad customer outcome. It’s easier to get people to take pain killers than vitamins.

Got it. I had some aversion to being reactive but I see how this can be beneficial.

Re: Ask HN: Texts to share with my co-founder re time-management and teamwork?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is more like him giving me the book The Goal by Eliyahu M. Goldratt (which was great and opened my eyes a lot) and me returning the gesture. On the other thing - I've just 2.5x-ed the sales now but we are working out together how to scale production. So I am looking on ways to optimise our relationship.

The Goal is a book that influenced me over 25 years ago. The concepts are sound but i have gifted it to over 20 people since and a handful get it for what it is. However it isn’t a book about business and more a story about complexity and constraints applied to a theoretical business. I have never had occasions where there is an aha moment about a business i am in that literally is explained in The Goal. It seems to…

The Goal was very eye-opening to me since before that I've always have worked only on the side of business where I give my best to sell as much as possible and never cared about how are we then going to deliver this, handle the peaks that I create or the lows when I fail.

In this context for me it was the fundamentals that I needed to have in order to have meaningful conversations about capacities, production bottle-necks and optimisation without making the conversation a tutoring session for me.

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