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Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #10

The location from which I am working is irrelevant with respect to the value I'm providing to the company. If anything I should earn more working from home, because I'm paying more for utilities and my employer isn't paying utilities for me at the office.

That’s true for some jobs. But some jobs consist of talking to people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you're also no longer paying for your commute.

The salient point for ops argument is that the company isn’t providing utilities, isn’t providing parking, cleaning etc etc. Working from home saves the company money. A company that is good to employees would recognise this and return at least some of the savings via payroll or reimbursements.

The company is still paying you the same although you are no longer commuting though. Before you wasted between 1/2 hour and 2 hours every day just moving back and forth from the office (formally unpaid time). Now you can get out of your bed ten minutes before the first meeting in the day or be grocery shopping in your neighborhood five minutes after your work day ended.

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Just adding another opinion to the poll. I think this is an extreme scenario, but it also is a shift towards a new "normal". The inefficiency of commute, and the ease of not traveling to work everyday is a thing many people would love to reduce. Pushing buttons on a television screen has been largely eliminated by remotes because it simply requires less mental energy and I think the workforce will fight for it simply because people are lazy.

Also, I would WFH for the paycut, and that's because technically I'm not home at the moment - and that is potentially more valuable than what the extra money would have bought.

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The one thing I can appreciate about working from home for so long is I haven't been sick this entire time. Open floor plans spread colds, flus, and stomach bugs around like wildfire, and it's nice to be out of the petri dish.

This has been my experience as well. I used to get about 3 colds per year, maybe 4 if I was unlucky.

I've been at home since March and haven't had symptoms of anything which is so great.

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post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

> Traffic and commuting is one of the worst little things of daily life. It's dangerous. It ruins the environment. Parking sucks. I agree, but commuting has significant mental-health benefits. It provides a clear mental separation between "work" and "home". I and several of my coworkers have noticed that we never feel "off work" anymore. Work just bleeds into everything because there isn't that 30 minute period (enfo…

You can just... Make one. You can just make the division. You can turn off the work computer and walk away at five.

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

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post #25

The one thing I can appreciate about working from home for so long is I haven't been sick this entire time. Open floor plans spread colds, flus, and stomach bugs around like wildfire, and it's nice to be out of the petri dish.

This has been my experience as well. I used to get about 3 colds per year, maybe 4 if I was unlucky. I've been at home since March and haven't had symptoms of anything which is so great.

Also this is magnified with many kids out of school. With reduced child to parent transfer those that do need to go in to the office may have less background infectivity. When my kids were in elementary school I had more sick days in a year than the ten years prior combined.

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post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

> Traffic and commuting is one of the worst little things of daily life. It's dangerous. It ruins the environment. Parking sucks. I agree, but commuting has significant mental-health benefits. It provides a clear mental separation between "work" and "home". I and several of my coworkers have noticed that we never feel "off work" anymore. Work just bleeds into everything because there isn't that 30 minute period (enfo…

That's true, which is why I think there's a middle ground. A total 10-30 minutes daily commuting is nice and better than 0. I saw statistics once that said the average one way is 40 minutes, which is dangerous and tiring.

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traffic and commuting is one of the worst little things of daily life. It's dangerous. It ruins the environment. Parking sucks. I agree, but commuting has significant mental-health benefits. It provides a clear mental separation between "work" and "home". I and several of my coworkers have noticed that we never feel "off work" anymore. Work just bleeds into everything because there isn't that 30 minute period (enfo…

That's true, which is why I think there's a middle ground. A total 10-30 minutes daily commuting is nice and better than 0. I saw statistics once that said the average one way is 40 minutes, which is dangerous and tiring.

Is that the mean or median?

Re: Ask HN: Do you think 'normal' working will ever return?

#30
post #6

Let's address the elephant in the room: Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. However…

> Working from home is a lot less efficient than an ideal office. It's harder to debug things or pair program when needed, it's harder to grab someone's attention, it's easier to miscommunicate, and communication is a lot slower. You also don't get the same camaraderie as you would face to face, but the upside is that you also don't get distracted by attractive coworkers. YMMV. Your home can be your ideal office, and…

I’ve been WFH for 10 of the past 15 years.

It is much harder to create a new billion dollar company if everyone is WFH, especially if there is a physical product as opposed to something that only manifests on screens.

It is much harder to on board and mentor new co-workers.

It is much harder to make a transition to the next position in your career, like a promotion or move within the company.

It is much harder to develop and maintain relationships that result in respect and trust for coworkers.

All of the above especially if most people are in the office.

I’ve become a bit like a contractor grinding through a series of similar projects, my career growth has stalled, and my only interactions with my coworkers who used to be friends now always boil down to ‘when will X be done?’

I would avoid WFH for anyone not in the sunset years of their career.

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