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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#21
If your main issue is focus, and you work/are interested in learing in a suitable branch of technology, you can try going "off-grid":

Download every documentation you might need;

Delete every offline-capable time-waster from all your devices;

Remove your phone's SIM card (don't worry, you'll still be able to make emergency calls if such a need arises);

Unplug your internet router (and store it away somewhere inconvenient).

If you have to sync for any reason, go to a expensive coffee shop or the like that has WiFi and do your business there. You'll soon stop going so frequently because it'll hurt on the pocket.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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I did it for about 3 months while backpacking around South America in 2007 (before smartphones). I occasionally use the internet via 'internet cafes' to send a few emails and to research destinations. I kept a hand-written journal every day.

Yeah it seems like backpacking is a great opportunity to do a bit of reset in terms of technology, limiting it to those essential logistical tasks, but allowing one to get the majority of their social and experiential needs fulfilled in the physical world.

Do you think if you were to do the same trip today (let's assume no covid nonsense) you would use the same balance of technology, or do you think that things have become much more integrated over the last decade?

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#24

It might be a bit unorthodox and I would possibly get flagged for writing this but I found the ideas of Kaczynski on impact of technology on us very profound and thought-provoking[0]. I try to separate the "art" from the "artist" and do not condone his violent actions thereafter. But this idea has been around in various shapes where people debate if its true that techonology is evolving at a much faster rate than our…

TK frequently cited Jacques Ellul's "The Technological Society"[1]. This book gives a decent treatment of whether technology is part of the problem or the solution and also helps explain TK. Considering how Ellul's writing influenced TK it's also more understandable (though not forgivable) why he radicalized himself (after withdrawing from society and living like a hermit). Ellul makes you realize the problem isn't just a recent one, and that there is no "easy" (peaceful) way back ... E.g. the Luddites resorted to violence because they already knew and understood this - they knew that attacking the tools of power (science/technology) amounted to terrorism.

[1] https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSoci...

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#25
I've recently got a good old fashioned desktop computer, and switched to Thunderbird over webmail (ending a decade-old GMail subscription in the process). If I want to check emails or do admin, I have to do it purposefully and situatedly.

It's really thrown into contrast the temptation of quickly flicking on a mobile phone or work laptop to check something. There's a mental geographic context as well — I have to go to a specific place to do a specific task, and it can't follow me round the house. It also makes the work / life boundary a little bit clearer.

It's a little inconvenient, but the whole point is to underline the trade-off of that convenience. A week in and I'm tangibly feeling the benefit.

To the original point, I'm parted from my computer for hours rather than days, but it still helps.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say his ideas were original, I said they were more coherent than you'd think. And sure, read the original sources, but I don't see the harm in reading Kaczynski himself, if only to see how a smart man went down the wrong path. The "thought leader" thing was supposed to be a joke.

> The "thought leader" thing was supposed to be a joke. Yes, I got your point but it could be misinterpreted. Plenty of people are quite unaware of where these ideas actually come from, and who deserves credit for them.

Would you mind sharing some starting points for a reading list? I'd be curious to read some of the source material you're talking about.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say his ideas were original, I said they were more coherent than you'd think. And sure, read the original sources, but I don't see the harm in reading Kaczynski himself, if only to see how a smart man went down the wrong path. The "thought leader" thing was supposed to be a joke.

> The "thought leader" thing was supposed to be a joke. Yes, I got your point but it could be misinterpreted. Plenty of people are quite unaware of where these ideas actually come from, and who deserves credit for them.

Could you name a few that you think are worthy?

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#28
FWIW, a 10-day meditation retreat is a very accessible way to try a really different lifestyle for a short period. (You’ll probably want to wait to try it until COVID is less of a threat though.) If you want a specific recommendation, the Goenka retreats (dhamma.org) are free (donation-supported), exist worldwide and are identical everywhere.

At such a retreat, you should expect to give up technology and live according to Buddhist precepts for 10 days, and one of the major claims of meditation is that it will help you unlearn bad habits related to focus and distractions, which can be carried back to the world with you once you complete the retreat.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#29
I'm 56, so yes. ;-)

But in terms of ditching those things after getting used to them, it's only happened when my family went on overseas trips.

A problem for me is that the computer is not just a connection with the outside world, but has become a medium for thinking. Take away my Jupyter, and you've removed half of my brain.

But I've never used social media, so I have less to give up when I walk away from a screen. Unless this counts as social media, which it probably does in a sense.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#30
Only by accident, for about a week (that's definitely extended for me). We went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and stayed on a camp site that allegedly had WiFi: well, they did, but not working WiFi.. Oh well, I'd brought my 4G phone, and .. no signal. So a trip into the only town where I was told "only one carrier had a tower there", so I bought a PAYG SIM only to find it was the old-style full size SIM and no, they didn't have anything more modern.

So, a week without..

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