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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Handshake [1] is a great keybase alternative that doesn’t even rely on centralization. All information is verifiable with the blockchain acting as the root of trust. [1] https://handshake.org

I thought Handshake was decentralized DNS server. Keybase is primarily a secure chat app. Does Handshake have chat, chat room, and team chat functionality too?

>Keybase is primarily a secure chat app.

Isn't that chat pretty new in Keybase's history?

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#22

Handshake [1] is a great keybase alternative that doesn’t even rely on centralization. All information is verifiable with the blockchain acting as the root of trust. [1] https://handshake.org

I thought Handshake was decentralized DNS server. Keybase is primarily a secure chat app. Does Handshake have chat, chat room, and team chat functionality too?

> Keybase is primarily a secure chat app.

It looks like keybase has morphed since I've last looked at it. I recall its primary function being that of a Web of Trust-like system for different public keys and addresses.

> Does Handshake have chat, chat room, and team chat functionality too?

That said, with additional tools, Handshake also improves end to end encryption services since you can actually place fingerprints/certificates on the blockchain so you can actually verify these instead of just 'hitting yes' like most people appear to do when using e2e chat applications.

As a bonus, it also improves web security since there are hundreds of actors who can generate 'valid' certificates today. This becomes impossible with Handshake.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#23
Hi, I'm developing Bloom[0] which is an entirely FOSS encrypted[1] and offline-first (but with multi-devices sync!) productivity app which features Files, contacts, calendar and notes. So no chat nor Git, but everything else :)

If you are interested in joining the (coming soon) beta, feel free to contact me: https://bloom.sh/contact

[0] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom

[1] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom/-/wikis/security

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Handshake was decentralized DNS server. Keybase is primarily a secure chat app. Does Handshake have chat, chat room, and team chat functionality too?

> Keybase is primarily a secure chat app. Isn't that chat pretty new in Keybase's history?

Just over three years.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

Errr what?

Their development team is entirely based out of China.

Please, spare me the rubbish about anti-China rhetoric. This has nothing to do with the Chinese people or culture. I clarified that this is for local _government_ clients. It absolutely matters, whether you get offended or not. I also mentioned that my company is a Zoom customer and this move generally has me happy.

We had the same conversation about Russian owned antivirus companies months ago as well. I understand there is legitimate concern about anti-Asian rhetoric. I just wanted to clarify that it's not where I'm coming from. As someone who introduced Keybase to these clients, these questions are going to come to me. And I want to have an answer for my government clients for this legitimate concern.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #8

I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

> Keybase felt like WireGuard for its use case, just dead simple and also secure.

WireGuard, however, is "decentralized" because you can run it yourself whereas Keybase was always a centralized service where you always had to trust someone else instead of yourself or a public blockchain!

That being said, congratulations to the keybase team! :-)

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#29

Hi, I'm developing Bloom[0] which is an entirely FOSS encrypted[1] and offline-first (but with multi-devices sync!) productivity app which features Files, contacts, calendar and notes. So no chat nor Git, but everything else :) If you are interested in joining the (coming soon) beta, feel free to contact me: https://bloom.sh/contact [0] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom [1] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom/-/wikis/sec…

am I right that it's Google apps FOSS alternatives?

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#30

I think the only complete alternative is to successfully persuade the Keybase team to release their server code under an open source license. Their client is already open source. https://github.com/keybase The only other alternative is a mishmash of multiple apps that each do part of what Keybase does.

That would be really great, but feels like very unlikely as well. If they could open source it, why didn't they do it before?
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