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Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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Why should we stop linking paywalled articles and not books or software or other non free things?

An article is a few minutes, and we get way more out of those other non-free things. If there was a way to pay e.g. 10c to read just that article, I would do it without much thought if the opening paragraphs told me it was worth my time, but I'm not subscribing and paying every month for 0-2 articles per week that I might care about. I just move on.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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> How much time could we save each other by not linking to paywalls? Not very much? How much time do you really spend clicking "Back" after hitting a paywall? Most have very simple workarounds and/or someone will post an archive or outline link in the comments.

It's not just about wasting time. Often a headline will interest me, click, oops, nope, can't read it. Some stories certainly are genuinely unique to a particular news site, but often most of the NYT/WSJ/etc. articles posted aren't exactly high-quality and something very similar can be found on CNN, AP, etc.

This is where the aforementioned workarounds come in.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

#23
Absolutely agree. I don't begrudge news sites for charging to keep the lights on, but IMO HN as a community shouldn't be driving traffic to paid sites, especially since there will always be quite a few people who can't read any given article... who is going to have a subscription to 3, 4, 5, 6 or more news sites? That gets expensive quickly.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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I think it's worth paying for good quality journalism. It's nice to support the institutions that serve a vital role to the checks and balances of our democracy. Also, some of you may not know it but you can access the news for free through your local library. For example, I get the NY Times online via the Santa Clara County Library.

This is a link aggregation service, though.

The OP is not really weighing in on the value of pay walls, nor whether or not they actually ensure "good journalism." The issue being raised here is that posting pay-walled links increases friction for, I would imagine, the overwhelming majority of users of the site.

I wouldn't expect people from, say, India, or even Brazil, to be able to get the NYT from their public libraries. They have their own newspapers to subsidize.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just about wasting time. Often a headline will interest me, click, oops, nope, can't read it. Some stories certainly are genuinely unique to a particular news site, but often most of the NYT/WSJ/etc. articles posted aren't exactly high-quality and something very similar can be found on CNN, AP, etc.

This is where the aforementioned workarounds come in.

Many workarounds have stopped working, due to incognito mode detection or other means. Regardless, I shouldn't have to waste my time digging around to find a working workaround when the submitter could have taken a few minutes to see if there's a similar-quality article covering the same topic on a free site.

While I'll occasionally click on an archive.is link, ethically (and legally) it's not great to mirror someone else's paid content for free.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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I think it's worth paying for good quality journalism. It's nice to support the institutions that serve a vital role to the checks and balances of our democracy. Also, some of you may not know it but you can access the news for free through your local library. For example, I get the NY Times online via the Santa Clara County Library.

That is a good point, but in my opinion outside of the scope of HN.

If your argument should be applicable for content posted on a link aggregator followers should either subscripe to everything, turning the link aggregator into a money cow, or they will hit the wall so often that the aggregator becomes futile.

Re: Ask HN: Can we stop linking to paywalls?

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I think it's worth paying for good quality journalism. It's nice to support the institutions that serve a vital role to the checks and balances of our democracy. Also, some of you may not know it but you can access the news for free through your local library. For example, I get the NY Times online via the Santa Clara County Library.

I did not know this! I would totally do this instead of going around them! Do you have more info on this? (I do pay for those I really like, but for those in which I only read an occasional article or two, I don’t particularly feel like subscribing)

Here are the details for Santa Clara County Library

https://sccld.org/emagazines-news/?_ga=2.59104363.719460146....

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