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Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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Both ComputerLand and Radio Shack sponsored computer and robotics groups in Gillette Wyoming from 1979-or-so, but I lived far from town so wasn't able to attend much of it. I did hijack the local 4-H club with Popular Electronics projects and ideas from Byte magazine. Until the IBM PC and Mac, everything was 8-bit. Again, everything was remote, so I ended up getting into Apple-Cat modem tricks (phreaking), running a BBS, and later (1983??) getting a used PDP-11 and running UUCP (email and Usernet), for quite a few accounts for that quadrant of WY for a while (using a Trailblazer 9600 baud modem - I had to mow lawns for 6 months to buy that thing).

I'm sorry that I don't have many UG stories, because everybody was so far flung, it was hard to be intensely (or interactively, at least) social about it!

By the time I got to college (RHIT - Rose-Hulman), it was all men, all engineering, all the time, so there wasn't much need for an independed UG.

I feel as if I was "in the culture", but not "part of the gang" for much of that period. The WELL started about the time I was finishing up high-school, but it was a lot of fun, and made me sad about what I had been missing out on...

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I’m not old enough to have been around in the day of the original user groups, but I’m pretty active on Meetup these days, finding other developers in my city using similar languages and tools. Curious to know what the contrasts are of the golden days and modern day.

Yeah same goes for me, I am activr in meetup groups and used to be in a "maker space" for more hardware-oriented stuff. (Toys like drones, 3D printers, Raspberry Pi stuff).

I am curious about the difference as well - my guess is that now it's pretty mainstream so there's no real "group / niche" feeling.

Certainly feel that way about some gaming communities I was in in the early 2000s.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I was the final president of the Panorama Amiga Club, a division of the Commodore Computer Club based in Vancouver, British Columbia. Our last formal meeting was probably around 2009, although I kept going to lunch on Saturdays with three of the group's members until a couple of years ago.

I was never around for the heyday of the club in the 1980s, when they would rent out the giant auditorium at Simon Fraser University, invite distinguished guests like Jay Miner, and run daisy-chained rows of floppy drives multitasking the mass copying of software. Back then I had a PC-XT that had one color (orange) and one sound (beep), and had heard of Amigas and their thousands of colors and multitasking operating systems only in whispers and legends, as if they were inhabiting a parallel universe much more advanced than our own.

In the late 1990s and early 2000s the group would meet for lunch every Saturday at the Royal City Cafe in New Westminster, near the geographic center of the Lower Mainland. That's when I joined them to start writing my series of articles on the history of the Amiga for Ars Technica.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I was a member of "The Northwest of Us", which was a play on Apple's tagline for the original Mac, "The computer for the rest of us." It was in Chicago's northwest suburbs (Palatine, Arlington Heights, Rolling Meadows area).

This was during the late 90s, early 2000s. At the time it was a great way to introduce less technical users to the Internet and various computer tools they might not know about.

The thing that eventually made it not worth my time was that as time passed, it was more and more newbies, and less and less technical stuff. They eventually spun off a programmer's group and I pretty much stopped attending the main meetings and just attended the developer meetings.

A typical main meeting was about 3 hours long. It would start with anybody from the audience asking questions and the techies would answer them for about 30 minutes. Then it would be followed by an hour or two of guest speakers doing product demoes or sometimes members of the group presenting something they thought would interest the group. It would wrap up with a raffle that usually included a give away of whatever was demoed.

After going to these meetings for a year or so, it just became too much. 3 hours once a month on a Saturday is a lot of time to spend for what ultimately wasn't much reward. I did enjoy meeting the people who attended, as they were a fairly diverse crowd from very young to very old across a spectrum of different lifestyles - high school and junior high-aged kids, moms and dads, small business owners, etc.

In fact, I had my own small business at the time selling graphics software. One guy I met there was a retired motion graphics artist who had worked on news and talk shows in the 70s and 80s before they used computers for that! It was fascinating to hear him talk about the methods they used to use. I do miss making those sorts of connections, but don't miss the hours of boring product demoes.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I was a kid in an Apple ][ pirate user group in Okinawa, Japan in the early 80's. My Dad was a schoolteacher on a military base there.

We'd meet once a week on Sunday afternoons in the High School cafeteria, everyone lugging in their computers and boxes of blank disks. And what did we do? We copied.

The club had massive binders full of hundreds (thousands?) of 5.25" floppies. You'd "check out" a disk by replacing it with your membership card, make a copy, and return the disc. More experienced members could help you get around thorny copy protection, and people left helpful notes of which copy program worked best.

They would also organize bulk purchases of cloned computers. My first computer was referred to as a "Happle", i.e. a clone from Hong Kong. IIRC we got the computer, a green-screen monitor, 2 slim disk drives, joystick, paddles, some games, and a 9-pin dot matrix printer for $1000. At the time, a regular Apple 2 cost that much for the computer alone. Our clone also had helpful modifications like lower-case letters and built-in keyboard shortcuts. E.g. ctrl-6 would turn into "PR#6" which was how you booted from disk.

There's no way my parents could have afforded non-clone prices at that time, let alone purchasing software. So I'm very grateful for that club, and all the amazing software I got to try and learn from. I learned so much programming from Beagle Brother's tools [1] and had my mind completely blown by the Pinball Construction Set, which Steve Wozniak rightly called "the greatest program ever written for an 8-bit machine."

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Bros

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_Construction_Set

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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I helped form the NeXT user’s group at BYU in the early 1990’s. I was the NeXT campus consultant. IIRC we hade 15-25 people who met, I want to say weekly. Wednesday evenings I think. I was involved for two years, until I graduated. The nice thing about our user’s group is that it drew both students and faculties, NeXT building fairly powerful workstations. My primary role was to be the “crazy NeXT rumors guy” before…

I'm curious how many NeXT machines were on campus? Where did they end up (which depts)?

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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http://www.pcug.org.au/wp/

It was quite a thing back in its hey day.

Had a shop front, a regular magazine, hosted a BBS, and held regular meetings with door prizes (I think I won a mouse once). When the internet came along they offered isp services and I remember connecting via trumpet winsock and then Netscape navigator.

I was just a kid at the time, but I still remember reading through the magazine when it came, and I think I may have attended some of their training courses as a kid amongst the adults.

I don't know if they were affiliated with the computer fairs (semi regular events held in schools and community halls where everyone came to sell/buy computer and tech parts), but they were another pretty central part of the culture at the time.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

#28
I was a member of an Apple user group in the 1980s as a young kid. Things I remember:

- someone remarked how sorry they felt for people who had to type on IBM keyboards.

- someone explained the difference between a serial and parallel bus to me.

- only one or two of the adult members had a clue about programming, others were early adopters of various programs. Guidance on how to learn to program or what to buy/read was minimal and unhelpful.

- The leader of the group had cut is teeth on the Lisa and would mutter comparisons about the Lisa when using the Apple machines.

- The group met at the local Apple authorized retailer.

- The early Apple enthusiasts were (in hindsight) pretty cynical about Tandy, TI, etc. In hindsight I really think that was foolish of them.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

#29
I was in the Boston Computer Society. The one really interesting project was a crazy Harvard professor who was installing Mac computers in Eastern Europe after the revolution.

I went over, met my wife at a university, and have been happily married for almost 30 years.

Re: Ask HN: Were you in a computer user group, back in their heyday?

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BMUG (Berkeley Macintosh Users Group) should be on your radar. I was a passive member but it got me into the computing industry working for a well known Mac networking company at the time.

I'm familiar with Stanford having a similar group, SMUG, and although I wasn't a member, it looks like they still exist : https://www.pa-smug.org
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