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Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by jaclaz » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 7:43 AM UTC

toper-centage wrote: post #10

TXV wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what stops these people from downloading mine or anyone's resume off LinkedIn and use that for their purposes? they wouldn't even need to bother contacting me first

Nothing. And they do already convert your PDFs to Doc for editing, often destroying part of your layout. At one job interview for a frontend developer position, I was very embarrassed to learn that the idiot recruiter had done that to my CV. My interviewer jokingly showed me how my CV looked all messed up - wrong alignment, missing icons, mixed up fonts, weird borders. All this because the recruiter wanted to remove…

Well, one could print the PDF on paper and then scan it as image, it will probably loose some resolution/detail, the layout will stay, unless the recruiter uses OCR, and then you will have, besides a messed layout also several typos ...

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by eanthy » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 12:06 PM UTC

tboyd47 wrote: post #4

My advice: 1) Don't ever interact with MPC recruiters. These are recruiters who do not have a contractual agreement with a client in place and want to use your resume to sell their own agency to new clients. 100% wastes of time. 1a) Don't do a lot of legwork (background checks, reference checks, official documents, etc.) before they even submit you. This is a way of filtering out MPC recruiters who are vetting you to…

literally all recruiters ask you about your salary, does that mean they are all MPC?

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by eanthy » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 12:12 PM UTC

Don't be afraid to speak your mind to them and ask them whatever you want. They only treat you as a resource so why not treat them the same? Chances are it's some former waitress with 2 months experience in recruiting that learnt all the buzzwords and is trying to test you even though she has no idea about technology and is just trying to make her commission.

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by alexanderdmitri » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 3:24 PM UTC

eanthy wrote: post #22

tboyd47 wrote: post #4

My advice: 1) Don't ever interact with MPC recruiters. These are recruiters who do not have a contractual agreement with a client in place and want to use your resume to sell their own agency to new clients. 100% wastes of time. 1a) Don't do a lot of legwork (background checks, reference checks, official documents, etc.) before they even submit you. This is a way of filtering out MPC recruiters who are vetting you to…

literally all recruiters ask you about your salary, does that mean they are all MPC?

His point here is if they're MPC they won't be able to tell you their compensation from the client for filling the role.

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by JSeymourATL » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

> but I won't mind hearing them out if said opportunity is especially compelling.

ASK them to forward you a full and complete Position Summary including company name, reporting relationships, and compensation structure-- for your review.

If there's a match-up you'll be happy to engage in further dialogue or provide professional referral.

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by ntkweinor » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 6:39 PM UTC

how do i get karma?

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by algaeontoast » Sat, Oct 05, 2019, 1:08 AM UTC

I simply don’t deal with them anymore. The few times I’ve actually taken offers from them, the role has been misrepresented or ended up being in a rushed org that torpedoed their own culture.

More recently, I had a recruiter sabotage my interview process by telling me an interview was “non technical” (it ended up being 100% technical) and another time deliberately setting salary too high and pissing away a good opportunity.

Re: Ask HN: How to effectively deal with recruiters?

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Post by EllipticCurve » Sun, Oct 06, 2019, 10:48 AM UTC

ratww wrote: post #13

I don't ignore them, but if I'm not looking I wait a week to get a batch of messages and then answer with a short copy-pasted reply. I don't think they mind, since they do it themselves. If you're considering depending on compensation, I'd be upfront and tell them that. Ask for salary and if it's a remote position in your reply. Tell them you're busy for the phone but give them your email. About talking on the phone,…

If you don't mind - What sector are you in/is your recruiter working in? Really good recruiters (such as yours it seems) are really scarce. Would you mind sharing the contact of her on LinkedIn/Xing (Here or per mail (see my profile))?