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Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

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Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#21
Identify your core issues clearly. Sometimes, when your customer reaches the sales process, doesn't understand what you are selling, it's a marketing problem.

Process is everything. If you can map out the entire sales process in sequences, you can find ways to optimize it.

I started my sales funnel with mostly manual touch points, and gradually started adding automation (automated cadences, automated scheduling, and etc) and we were able to increase our efficiency by 200%.

Track EVERYTHING. Each metric matters a lot, and if you don't have a dashboard of all the metrics, you are going to make some bad decisions (learned it through trial and error)

Also read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Way-Wolf-Straight-Persuasion-Influenc...

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

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I will be contrarian on HN. Hire a sales guy. It's worth every $. "If you build it, they will not come"

There's no doubt that experienced sales people are valuable, but I would argue that there is a point in a startup lifecycle where it's too soon to hire one. For one or both of two reasons:

1. You're still trying to figure out exactly what it is you're building and how to best price/sell it. That is, you're still in more of a "customer development" mode than a pure "push the accelerator on sales for all it's worth" model.

2. You don't have any money to hire a sales person, because you're either bootstrapping or haven't raised a round yet.

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#23
post #21

Identify your core issues clearly. Sometimes, when your customer reaches the sales process, doesn't understand what you are selling, it's a marketing problem. Process is everything. If you can map out the entire sales process in sequences, you can find ways to optimize it. I started my sales funnel with mostly manual touch points, and gradually started adding automation (automated cadences, automated scheduling, and…

Suhail from Mixpanel did a great talk about this a few weeks ago at Startup School: https://www.startupschool.org/videos/39

His 9th slide here basically outlines how to quantitatively identify what your core problem is: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a75lejeqli1rmrs/Suhail%20Doshi%20-...

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#24
What kind of sales? What's the product? Is it Software? Hardware? B2B? B2C? Self serve or high touch? Have you found product market fit or are you still trying to figure it out?

A lot like tech there are tools for every problem and in sales there is a playbook for every kind of product.

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#25
I'd recommend the reddit sales community [0] as a good place to start, and specifically the best of thread.

They'll go over everything you need to know about sales. The first thing to learn is that sales is an umbrella term for a lot of different activities many of which won't be relevant to the type of sales you do.

The first two questions you should answer is what type of sale are you making and to who. Selling a $5/month consumer product is very different from selling $300,000/yr product to the CFO of a fortune 500.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/sales/comments/3y1jb9/the_best_thre...

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#26
Read the book Pitch Anything. It will help you come up with ways to reach people based on what works for you. It will also avoid the extremely common problem that you're providing logical reasoning to someone whose brain has routed what you're saying to /dev/null.

My wife's natural tendency is to help solve problems for people. Before that book, she'd talk to someone, noticed that the most urgent problem that they wanted solved is her bothering them, and the obvious solution would leave her with no sale.

Now she is able to playfully get their interest and attention. She gets them to talk through a real problem that they have, it doesn't matter what. She helps them work through how to solve it. She doesn't try to sell them anything. It is up to them to decide whether the experience was enjoyable and valuable enough that they wish to work with https://www.leanst.com/ more. Enough do that sales is fun for her, and has not been a bottleneck to growth.

You're not selling consulting and aren't her, so her exact approach probably won't work for you. But I'd still bet that that book will help you.

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#27
I've always liked this image from UserOnboard

https://www.useronboard.com/imgs/posts/mario-water.png

Source: https://www.useronboard.com/features-vs-benefits/

One of the most important part about sales IMO is to remember that you're dealing with humans on the other side who have their own personal and professional incentives. Think about how you can make your customer look like a genius, get promoted, help make some process better/cheaper or get to a business goal quicker. Do you have a solution to help achieve one of those outcomes? This requires listening far more than speaking and will always result in selling solutions to problems...product feature/functionality is just the way to get there. You may be very proud of everything you've built, and rightly so, but the customer only cares about their own outcomes and whether you can help them achieve it.

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#29
post #16

Learn to develop a deeply secure emotional attachment style. Once I unlocked this, my close rate and inbound referrals went through the roof. Literally closing 95% of leads and 100% of leads are from referrals. Granted, this is in person 1 on 1 work but isn’t sense is that will translate into the other work you do.

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

Re: Ask HN: What is your advice for a technical founder learning sales?

#30
One thing I've learned: talking to users and potential users is crucial, like everyone says, but it's also crucial to talk to the right users, and to iterate on how you find them.

In the beginning, most people are probably going to dismiss what you've built. That's normal--people have a bias against adding yet another tool to the pile (for good reason). So unless your product is an exact bullseye for solving their problem, and has no real drawbacks, they won't be seriously interested. That's actually fine. You can have an extremely low conversion rate in the beginning. As long as you can find someone who is enthusiastic about what you're doing (and ideally wants to pay you for it), they will show you the path forward.

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