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Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by justboxing »

burtonator wrote: post #10

The push toward PMF has been really great for the industry and really helped avoid wasting a ton of cash. The only argument AGAINST it rally is when a team has a proven track record and already KNOWS how to find PMF and knows that it has value. PMF is amazing when you do it right. With http://datastreamer.io we were actually a meme tracking app (similar to hacker news) but what ended up happening is that people basic…

Checked out Polar. Looks really cool!

Serious question: Why is it free? How would you be able to support and maintain the product if you aren't charging for it?

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by rafiki6 »

rafiki6 wrote: post #13
whatshisface wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs is probably the only person in recent human history that you would actually want to have controlling your company instead of you.

No. He was a huge jerk. I'd prefer someone who is just as brilliant and less of a jerk. They exist, I've worked with them and they have contributed far more to society than building over priced toys. Let's stop giving credit to this a-hole.

I don't know why this got down voted. It seems people don't appreciate honest opinions here. There's more evidence that he was a jerk than there isn't. He didn't need to be a jerk. His company doesn't contribute a net positive to the world. They haven't necessarily made computing more accessible especially since the primarily target a higher end market, and offer a very closed system/ecosystem. I stand by my argument. Steve Jobs was an a-hole and other equally intelligent business leaders who aren't a-holes could have done what he did.

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by klohto »

rafiki6 wrote: post #22
rafiki6 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. He was a huge jerk. I'd prefer someone who is just as brilliant and less of a jerk. They exist, I've worked with them and they have contributed far more to society than building over priced toys. Let's stop giving credit to this a-hole.

I don't know why this got down voted. It seems people don't appreciate honest opinions here. There's more evidence that he was a jerk than there isn't. He didn't need to be a jerk. His company doesn't contribute a net positive to the world. They haven't necessarily made computing more accessible especially since the primarily target a higher end market, and offer a very closed system/ecosystem. I stand by my argument…

> they have contributed far more to society than building over priced toys

You consider this honest opinion?

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by CM30 »

Ones where the team pivoted early on? I think that's how Reddit got started; they got funded based on the team with a completely different idea, then moved over to their current one and made it a huge success. Quite a startup accelerators fund teams rather than ideas, including the one that runs Hacker News.

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by cm2012 »

kanishkvashisht wrote: post #9

Segment -> Raised some 100k-ish $ after YC, didn't find PMF till their 3rd iteration on an insanely different idea.

$100kish is not a lot in context though. Products like magic leap have raised hundreds of millions before PMF.

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by codingdave »

CM30 wrote: post #24

Ones where the team pivoted early on? I think that's how Reddit got started; they got funded based on the team with a completely different idea, then moved over to their current one and made it a huge success. Quite a startup accelerators fund teams rather than ideas, including the one that runs Hacker News.

Is Reddit profitable now?

Re: Ask HN: When has big $$$ before product-market-fit ever worked out?

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Post by rafiki6 »

klohto wrote: post #23
rafiki6 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why this got down voted. It seems people don't appreciate honest opinions here. There's more evidence that he was a jerk than there isn't. He didn't need to be a jerk. His company doesn't contribute a net positive to the world. They haven't necessarily made computing more accessible especially since the primarily target a higher end market, and offer a very closed system/ecosystem. I stand by my argument…

> they have contributed far more to society than building over priced toys You consider this honest opinion?

It is an opinion and it is honest. So yes. If you don't share it about Apple products great.
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