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Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by Ron23way »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #7

The thing is, it probably won't affect your life. There's millions of people willingly giving up their information to the internet, and it's not like every single one of them, or even a majority, will face any consequences. But what if you suddenly decided to change the world and become a politician? Well, I sure hope you never directly googled for some particular genre of pornography, specially if it's something tha…

tldr; no one is going to be convinced by long text that have merit, if he never reads it.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by francisofascii »

Thriptic wrote: post #15

Real time pricing and personalized pricing. The more marketers learn about you, the more they will be able to set custom prices for you that may not be in your benefit. Think airline tickets, that's the model people are after. What if I told you that in 10 minutes you could get most of the way to great privacy without leaving Google services or social networks at all? Also your pages will load faster, you will be pay…

I am afraid grocery stores will start this. (Or perhaps they already do.) Virtual sales for certain people for specific products. But it is hard not to pass up the huge savings the "bonus" card gets you.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by erikig »

Our right to privacy should not be confused with access to absolute privacy. Absolute privacy is not possible in today's society without significant tradeoffs. Instead, privacy requires that in our dealings with institutions, we can have the following questions addressed:

- Who is collecting information about me and my family?

- What exactly is being collected?

- Why is it being collected?

- How long will it be kept?

- Who is it shared with?

- Can we opt out?

- Can we request to be forgotten and how?

You should take privacy seriously in as much as you should demand your institutions to disclose this information to you and allow you to make an informed decision as to the tradeoffs you may be making.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by [deleted] »

Mc_Big_G wrote: post #17

Let's say you're a liberal, you hate Trump and everything he stands for as well as the Republican party. You post a lot of anti-Trump and anti-Republican content on social media and discuss it even more candidly with friends through IMs and email. The mid-terms come and it turns out that Russia has perfected their hacking of our voting machines to the point that even when analyzing the data, it can't be proven. Repub…

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Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by TheBeardKing »

francisofascii wrote: post #22
Thriptic wrote: post #15

Real time pricing and personalized pricing. The more marketers learn about you, the more they will be able to set custom prices for you that may not be in your benefit. Think airline tickets, that's the model people are after. What if I told you that in 10 minutes you could get most of the way to great privacy without leaving Google services or social networks at all? Also your pages will load faster, you will be pay…

I am afraid grocery stores will start this. (Or perhaps they already do.) Virtual sales for certain people for specific products. But it is hard not to pass up the huge savings the "bonus" card gets you.

Kroger does this with their Kroger card. They send you coupons for things in your purchase history, and similar items they think you might like.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by demygale »

This is a totally acceptable attitude. It’s your data, you can give it away or sell it or whatever. It’s your choice.

It matters to me so I pay attention to news about products and companies with regard to privacy.

Privacy, like free speech, is a universal human right. The fact that you choose to share information doesn’t mean you lose that right. Any more than not speaking does not mean you lose the right to free speech.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by earenndil »

A lot of things you can do have a fixed cost ie they won't affect your life at all in the long run, just once. If you download a new browser (firefox), change your search engine (to startpage, duckduckgo, etc.), install an ad/tracker blocker (ublock0, privacy badger). This won't result in a loss of convenience, it'll just take a few hours and then you can continue living your life exactly as before. Obviously, there are things you can do to protect your privacy further, but just doing this will be a huge net positive with no drawback.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by baud147258 »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #7

The thing is, it probably won't affect your life. There's millions of people willingly giving up their information to the internet, and it's not like every single one of them, or even a majority, will face any consequences. But what if you suddenly decided to change the world and become a politician? Well, I sure hope you never directly googled for some particular genre of pornography, specially if it's something tha…

Also, it's not just FB, Google and the "hackers" that can influence you: FB and Google business is to sell ads using the personal information they have. So you could also be targetted by any political advertisers on those platforms.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

Ron23way wrote: post #21
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #7

The thing is, it probably won't affect your life. There's millions of people willingly giving up their information to the internet, and it's not like every single one of them, or even a majority, will face any consequences. But what if you suddenly decided to change the world and become a politician? Well, I sure hope you never directly googled for some particular genre of pornography, specially if it's something tha…

tldr; no one is going to be convinced by long text that have merit, if he never reads it.

well, people have been saying these things for years.

Other people have not cared for all those years.

And, to be honest, I don't think that will change anytime soon. People will only start caring about privacy when it's gone completely.

Re: Ask HN: I'm not motivated enough to take privacy seriously

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Post by beaconstudios »

Mc_Big_G wrote: post #17

Let's say you're a liberal, you hate Trump and everything he stands for as well as the Republican party. You post a lot of anti-Trump and anti-Republican content on social media and discuss it even more candidly with friends through IMs and email. The mid-terms come and it turns out that Russia has perfected their hacking of our voting machines to the point that even when analyzing the data, it can't be proven. Repub…

what is this, Man in the High Castle?
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