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I don't have a single "most favorite" but I worked for someone a couple weeks ago who began by saying "I just want you to get the job done right and I don't care how long it takes you". I knew right away I was going to love it there. That's the way to my heart.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, pursuing technical perfection for eternity will not make you money.

I think most of us want our code to see the light of day. If given an actual problem to solve, we aren't going to toil away at tiny details forever. We want to see it run!

A good manager knows this and will give you room to find that balance yourself, unless you have demonstrated you need help with that.

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I have been really lucky to have a number of great bosses in my career past and present. All of them have shared common traits (to varying degrees) of being available to listen and talk when needed, having a vision and a plan, empathy for life situations, missed deadlines and goals, and finally a desire to invest in personal growth even when it might not immediately be in the best interests of the organization.

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I don't have a single "most favorite" but I worked for someone a couple weeks ago who began by saying "I just want you to get the job done right and I don't care how long it takes you". I knew right away I was going to love it there. That's the way to my heart.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, pursuing technical perfection for eternity will not make you money.

It only seems to work when the person doing the work has good judgement about what things need to be right and the manager trusts them. If there are communication and trust issues, then there will be the constant back and forth between "what makes us money" and "what needs to be fixed."

IMO, good judgement about the things that need to be right enhances the ability to make money. Too often I see manager-type people disregard the technical grievances of a team as ambiguous/unimportant things, while at the same time wondering why nobody can deliver and get things done. There is very often a direct connection!

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You’ll know it when you’re best buddies...and you wouldn’t genuinely mind knowing their family and hang out with them...mutual respect to start!

I have found that "best buddies" and "good manager" are not always correlated. That is to say, sometimes having a good personal relationship with a manager is a sign of a good manager and sometimes not; one does not imply the other.

On the one hand, being good friends with a manager may prompt one to go the extra mile because you're helping your dear friend (and perhaps vice versa). On the other hand, a deep friendship may cause you to ignore or downplay flaws or problems (that may seriously impact the customer, etc).

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I’ve never had a great manager. I look for a manager to serve a few purposes - remove obstacles, communicate the priorities of the company, get the resources a team needs, and provide a level of technical/career leadership depending on where you are in your career.

But, let me focus on the two most of important purely selfish things for me. I want a manager who provides an environment for me to grow technically and fights for me to make more money. Everything else is secondary.

I’ve had good technical managers that I learned a lot from but had no political abilities to get thier team raises so I had to take the skills I learned and get another job and I’ve had overly political managers that would throw you under the bus to get ahead but if you made them look good, you could enjoy the ride until they stabbed you in the back.

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I don't have a single "most favorite" but I worked for someone a couple weeks ago who began by saying "I just want you to get the job done right and I don't care how long it takes you". I knew right away I was going to love it there. That's the way to my heart.

That sounds like my dream job, but I'd be afraid of the company folding eventually.

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At a previous company, I joined a team that had to deliver something a year before I joined. All previous teams assembled to deliver that had failed and had been fired. That the company didn't have that feature was deeply embarrassing, the competition mentioned having it in the first line of their marketing materials. The most influential engineers on the team didn't give a damn about deadlines and thought that being friends with the director would save them, had elaborately set up a plan to blame other engineers they were not friends with, who were on the way to get fired - half the team would never, ever speak to the other half or even be in the same room. I saw a (good) new manager get hired, see the clusterf*ck, and quit because it was hopeless. None of the other managers wanted anything to do with us, we were toxic. Then someone without people management experience got "promoted" to our manager. She told us she didn't care about any of us. Revoked everybody's little privileges, would literally come see if everybody was on their keyboard and typing all the time. Didn't force overtime on anyone but was adamant against people arriving late or leaving early or missing meetings. Started openly taking notes of everybody's failures so she would have ample documentation of who failed what. Told people what to do, didn't want to know the person's opinion about it. A few short months later we shipped.

Best manager I ever had.

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My favourite attitudes in my managers (plural) over the years:

-Intellectually curious / stimulating - This gave the team the time and awareness that science mattered in our jobs, pursue intellectual journeys that actually made our work better and more rewarding. I got to learn R in the aughts, work with academia and create products the company didn't have a real use for at the time, but are their bread and butter nowadays.

-Being totally lean (in the Toyota sense) - There's so much support you can get from a manager that is aware of the hidden cost to rework and not first-time right. He would actually go out on a limb talking to other departments and managers who would make our work less productive. This guy actually bought and brought a pie to another team after they failed us multiple times to try and help them to remember there were others dependant on their work.

-Being appreciative of outsiders trying to suggest changes to the status-quo. This is a big one. You could call this humility. Teams, roles and the surroundings change constantly. Better to change from the inside out, than only when faced with external threats. But it's a hard one since the status-quo and office politics on a day to day basis seem so important.

Whether or not these skills help the manager up the corporate chain depends. For the first one to succeed you need a surrounding that's appreciative for research and new things to come out of the team. The second is a awesome middle manager skill that will be mostly in demand in change roles, but not so much in regular management roles. I am sad about this, but most environments the one who rocks the boat is the one the outside. The third is a more common subset of the second and a true leadership skill, but again managing change in a stagnant environment is hard. People expect your team to do the same thing every day.

What trumps all these great traits is: communication. Each manager should have the skill to communicating what he is doing with his team to his higher ups and surroundings. Only then can what he brings to the team flourish in the corporate environment.

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I don't have a single "most favorite" but I worked for someone a couple weeks ago who began by saying "I just want you to get the job done right and I don't care how long it takes you". I knew right away I was going to love it there. That's the way to my heart.

I would think that’s the worse kind of manager. One of a manager’s job is to manage resources. There are always trade offs between doing things “right” and delivering. If you look at the old Joel quadrant of smart / gets things done (delivers value to the business), someone who “doesn’t care how long it takes” runs the risk of gold plating features instead of delivering. A deadline is a great focusing mechanism. And…

One big demotivating factor is forcing people to deliver mediocre stuff. That's the way to loose the best. Many folks are motivated by delivering high quality, higher even then the market wants/desires. No need to push or force them - just letting them build the best does a lot of good. There is a book called Peopleware, that discusses that aspect.
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