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Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed that about "Weird Al" Yankovic. He's in his late fifties and yet -- even as he works in a field where even long-lived artists peak in their 20s or 30s, his music just gets ever more sophisticated, and funnier.

Weird Al is essentially a comedian, and they only really get good after many years of life experience.

The other day, Norm McDonald noted something about Eddie Murphy that I hadn't considered - he was the most talented young comedian ever.

It blows my mind that Murphy was performing at such a high level when he was just 20-21.

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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...to make up for a slower brain, less stamina and decreasing memory... This is NOT normal and should not be accepted as such. I'm 63 and have been programming professionally for 40 years. I'm currently working on several projects that are as complex as anything I've ever done. I honestly feel that that I get better every year, build stuff I never imagined a few years ago. I know this is subjective, but I feel like m…

Does being a new parent of twins in my mid-forties count as managing a serious medical condition? I don't have anything to back it up, but I feel your situation is more the exception than the rule. I would like to be proven wrong. I keep plugging away at side projects when I get a chance to take a breath. But even then, it seems to take tremendous effort to get into any kind of productive zone.

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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I switched to nursing. At 55 I've now completed nursing school, have an RN, and am looking for my first job (at about 1/5 or less of what I could earn as a developer). Programming had become too easy. Now I'm doing something difficult again. Difficult is what, for me, keeps the fire burning.

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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As I see it, things balance out:

1) Young programmers are eager to try new things

2) As you get older, you figure out what works. This is good and bad. It's good, because you don't waste time implementing things which won't work. It's bad because you may not be willing to try something new that may be superior.

If I managed a team, I would prefer to have both perspectives.

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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Not 40+ -- but darn close, and recently went through a bit of a "midlife career crisis" - this is what I came away with:

- I need a physical outlet: I practice Jiu Jitsu now 2-3x per week and this has literally re-lit the burners on many aspects of my life, career included. Much more energy and stress tolerance when I thought I would be more exhausted -total opposite.

- Family time is most important at this age: Making sure things are all good at home lets me relax and focus at work. Employer should get this or I am in the wrong place.

- Rest / diet: I recently switched over from eating to whatever was at hand (literally), to eating what was healthy and worth putting in my body.

I feel all of the above have led to my having more energy / stamina to do tough projects and get over the unexpected hiccups.

Also - I started listening to this podcast by a former navy seal Cmdr: If nothing else, it checks you from saying "my life is stressful" when you hear an Army Aviator who spent 6 years in a North Vietnamese prison camp talk about his experience:

http://jockopodcast.com/2017/02/22/63-through-the-valley-my-...

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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I think you have to start with the art. Creativity and critical thinking is what keeps me excited for what I do. The experience and the tooling is just the attachments which extend the capabilities of the brain stuff. Maybe I would get more down on my work if that were to get out of balance, less creativity and more process. Maybe a change of scenery would be good? Try something completely different?

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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I'm 38, and started programming at 8 years old in BASIC on the Apple ][. If ever I find myself unable to convince anyone to pay me to code, I will still work on my side projects at night while doing something else (for money) during the day.

As far as my "working life", I try to keep myself challenged by seeking out interesting projects. Generally this means changing employers every couple of years, but this gets more difficult the more 'senior' (and expensive) you become. I really would like to settle in at a company that can keep me challenged and growing, but most employers put zero effort into developing and retaining their software engineers (too easy to find new ones, I guess).

For example, my current employer (less than a year) has me doing legacy software maintenance (not the type of work I was promised when hired), which is doing nothing for my career (probably causing active harm) and is boring as hell (no architecture/design/SE work, no challenging CS problems, no leadership responsibility) - it's the kind of work I'd expect to be doing in my 60s when I'm coasting into retirement (assuming I can stand it even then). So I'm interviewing again. I hate interviewing.

Re: Ask HN: Software development after 40, how do you keep the fire?

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Getting sick of it again.

I enjoy writing software, but the interview process is crap. Its either waste a whole weekend building some mini app, or some random algorithmic questions which are hit or miss whether I get them right or not. Hardly anyone is interested in looking at code that I have already written. So I am maintaining other peoples balls of mud as its what pays moderately well.

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