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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by aurelius83 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 6:57 PM UTC

JavaScript allows you to develop better UX for the user. Allowing for near-instantaneous feedback to the user.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by madballneek » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:01 PM UTC

wintorez wrote: post #6

I don't care about JavaScript, but I love browsers as platforms; and as long as JavaScript is the de-facto language of the browsers, it will remain an important language.

My browser has essentially become my OS (ignoring gaming) Hell, I could even accomplish 95% of my software dev job fully within a browser with online IDEs like Cloud9.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by SurrealSoul » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:02 PM UTC

ES7 and ES8 along with typescript are keeping things fresh IMO

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by alexandernst » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

I’m tired of all the webpack crap, the endless battle of trying to match all its required plugins versions, 10000gb of node_modules and so on...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by williamxd3 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:06 PM UTC

Ignoring the browser side, show me a language that can do what nodejs can, as good as it can

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by ThorinJacobs » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

Tired of JavaScript? Not particularly. Tired of the #hype around JavaScript and more specifically the constant frameworks of the week? Absolutely.

I don't think this is a problem unique to JavaScript, however. We see the same sort of thing around technologies. Right now it's ML and Blockchain, earlier it was Cloud and IOT. The industry in general appears to be mostly built on inventing problems that can be solved by the tech, framework, etc. rather than leveraging technology to solve an existing problem.

This may be part of why you're having a hard time finding the problems JavaScript may solve for you. Personally, I find it much easier to follow the "Just In Time Learning" model https://blog.codinghorror.com/keeping-up-and-just-in-time-le.... Find out what parts you need in order to solve your problems, learn how they work, and leave the rest until you need it.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by williamxd3 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

tathougies wrote: post #19

v_lisivka wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now we can use any language which can be compiled to JavaScript. What will change? Wasm is not faster than JS.

For one thing, web assembly's architecture more closely matches the traditional backends that language designers are familiar with. Compiling to code to a byte code is a pretty much solved problem, and we have compilers that do this. Finally, while web assembly may not be faster than JS (although that really remains to be seen), it is faster to load.

Wait till you need to load a hundred binary dependencies and see if will load faster

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by jrb2018 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

I once had to implement excel-equivalent UI functionality (resizable columns, etc) - using javascript - which needed to be compatible on both Netscape and Internet Explorer. Early 2000s, before jQuery or even prototype.js.

Which is another way of saying, don't talk to me about being tired of javascript...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by williamxd3 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

Grazester wrote: post #15

I feel the same way(js is fine for tying together a wbepage however). I am now rewriting a startup's entire platform from PHP to js for no good reason. They claim they can't find any decent PHP developers and that js developers are easier to come by, yet here I am a PHP developer that has never wrote js outside the browser doing their js work?? Makes no sense.

I cant find any aspect of PHP being better than JavaScript

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?

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Post by williamxd3 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 7:16 PM UTC

tathougies wrote: post #17

harel wrote: post #14

No. Quite awake actually. JavaScript opens up a world of possibilities you cannot do with just HTML. It's the current platform of the browser app. If you are happy with static websites, that's great. Most people are not.

I mean... you could replace javascript with any other programming language and achieve the same thing. The choice of javascript as the language with which to access the standardized APIs is arbitrary. Browsers could have equivalently chosen any other sufficiently similar language, like Lua or Python.

If it wasn't because of Java the browsers language would be Scheme