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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

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post #4

Go see a therapist. And I don't mean it in an off-handed fashion. I mean it in a professional who helps people deals with this and other problems. If there's a chemical imbalance, drugs can help. A doctor can prescribe them if they're needed.

"If there's a chemical imbalance, drugs can help."

Medical statistics seem to show otherwise. For people who undergo a first bout of depression, most people who don't medicate get better in 6-18 months and then never relapse. Whereas those who medicate have a much higher chance of relapsing multiple times later in life.

source: Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#22
post #9

What you're talking about is called suicidal ideation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicidal_ideation . (Google those keywords to learn more.) I have dealt with this issue for 20 years. The first 10 years, I thought I was going to die. But I've learned to lower my suicidal ideation levels tremendously by trial and error. It was reassuring for me to learn from a psychologist friend that (A) suicidal ideation is the "l…

> Stop drinking if you lose control of yourself while drunk, especially if you're a sad drunk. Or at least limit the number of drinks you consume. Coming from someone who struggles with anxiety and paranoia, the first thing I was told when I went to the psychiatrist was to quit drinking. I am by no means an alcoholic, but I used to go out probably twice a week and I'd also have a beer after work to unwind. The result…

I was a situational alcoholic during my startup days and quit drinking regularly a little over a year ago. Since May 2009 I've gone out for drinks 4 times. It is astonishing how different I feel now. Before I was very dour and cynical and now I'm generally upbeat. If I drink more than 2 drinks I'm reminded the next day of how crappy I used to feel on a regular basis.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#23
This is not serious, useful advice like the other posters (and pls listen to them)... but I always thought, if you are considering suicide, why not fake your death? All the good stuff like re-birth, freedom, and what not... without the bad stuff.. like being dead forever.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#24
This is going to sound nuts, and of course I offer no guarantees, but I found that I did a lot better on days I ate bananas.

Hear me out for a moment.

I really like bananas... I buy a couple bunches and they're gone in a few days. Yummy. But then I don't get to the store for a while, and so on. One day not too long ago, I saw a bit of a correlation between my mood and the days I had bananas.

Digging around a bit, bananas (or papaya or dates) turn out to be one of the fruits that increase serotonin levels, one of the chemicals that might play a role in depression.

So... at this point it might be all placebo, but I don't care. I eat bananas every day and feel generally good! (Hey, it's only a couple bucks to try out, and at least it's not heroin or something!)

Naturally, the banana is no substitute for professional help, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#25
post #7

Besides seeing a professional, there are some random things: (I don't know your situation so hence the randomness) - Read this: http://whitehottruth.com/white-hot/the-manifesto-of-encourag... - If you have sappy depressing music playing all the time, turn it off. Mood is affected by music. - Go for a walk. - Don't drink alone. - Go to church. - Realize that there are things in your life that you can't change. And thi…

Or if you're not a religious chap, replace "Go to church" with something else regular and social like learning a language (no, not a programming language), dance classes, cooking classes, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#26
post #7

Besides seeing a professional, there are some random things: (I don't know your situation so hence the randomness) - Read this: http://whitehottruth.com/white-hot/the-manifesto-of-encourag... - If you have sappy depressing music playing all the time, turn it off. Mood is affected by music. - Go for a walk. - Don't drink alone. - Go to church. - Realize that there are things in your life that you can't change. And thi…

Music--Mozart's 40th has occasionally been a reminder that life is worth living, though I must say that the moods where I've wanted the reminding have been more in the nature of snits.

Yes, exercise.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#27
Self-analysis - is there any rationale behind your thoughts? If you can pull yourself out of the bowels of misery long enough to think (it's hard, trust me), why do you feel the way you feel? There's always a good chance that there's a more serious disorder lurking, so don't take this to mean that you shouldn't see someone. Don't discount psychologists just because they sometimes follow quack theories, either. Sometimes, just having someone to talk to is enough.

The dangerous threshold you cross is when you jump from extremely graphic, horrifying thoughts to physical activities that motion you on towards suicide. Once you, for example, start driving to a point where you want to jump off from or shopping for antihistamines to keep poison in your system, you're beyond the point where self-help can be effective.

I've been through this, and despite all the points where you tell yourself you're just going to do it, you reach a moment of mental clarity where you truly internalize the notion of suicide. You'll either push forward and decide to go on with it, or you'll realize that you just feel like shit and suicide is your pre-programmed pattern of thought for coping with it. If you decide on the former, stop and call emergency services so someone can save you from yourself.

This advice isn't pulled out my ass, either. I wake up every other day or so with the desire to crash my car into the local river or hang myself. But after thinking it through, I know it's because I have a shitty, non-relevant job and attend a crappy school in a backwater state in a country full of and run by ignorant loons. Just rationalizing my emotions removes the stinging pain that makes me want to kill myself, although I still feel the desire to bulldoze everyone in my local Wal-mart, so go figure. (-;

If you have a preferred contact method, let me know. I'd be happy to talk to you. Although I AM NOT A DOCTOR, NOR A DECENT SUBSTITUTE FOR ONE, I have been through something like this, so I may be able to provide more insight.

Take care.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#28
post #4

Go see a therapist. And I don't mean it in an off-handed fashion. I mean it in a professional who helps people deals with this and other problems. If there's a chemical imbalance, drugs can help. A doctor can prescribe them if they're needed.

"If there's a chemical imbalance, drugs can help." Medical statistics seem to show otherwise. For people who undergo a first bout of depression, most people who don't medicate get better in 6-18 months and then never relapse. Whereas those who medicate have a much higher chance of relapsing multiple times later in life. source: Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker.

That doesn't mean that there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance that can be improved with drugs. Maybe we're just over-prescribing anti-depressants.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#29
post #23

This is not serious, useful advice like the other posters (and pls listen to them)... but I always thought, if you are considering suicide, why not fake your death? All the good stuff like re-birth, freedom, and what not... without the bad stuff.. like being dead forever.

Thanks, that made me laugh =)

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with suicidal thoughts ?

#30
post #24

This is going to sound nuts, and of course I offer no guarantees, but I found that I did a lot better on days I ate bananas. Hear me out for a moment. I really like bananas... I buy a couple bunches and they're gone in a few days. Yummy. But then I don't get to the store for a while, and so on. One day not too long ago, I saw a bit of a correlation between my mood and the days I had bananas. Digging around a bit, ban…

Will give it a shot. Thanks.
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