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Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Does not include Switzerland. Also, what about bonuses and stock (options) which often make sizable portion of income?

Options are not income and are worthless unless it’s a public company or there is a liquidity event. Considering options as a part of income is the same as if your company paid you in lottery tickets.

The form also does not let you specify regularly vesting stock for publicly traded companies.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job (https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle.

(From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can work here with an EU passport.)

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job ( https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/ ), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle. (From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can…

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but while salaries are high and taxes are relatively low, general living costs are quite high. Particularly if you have kids and so want a bigger house and good schools.

I've looked at this and the benefits we get from staying in Germany outweigh the extra income earned.

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It always bug me, when developers, people whose main task is passing different data to and fro, are unable to provide information in format that is unequivocal for recipient. Do you really, for example, in systems you create, store or send money data without currency information?

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job ( https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/ ), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle. (From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can…

I would disagree. Zurich does indeed pay very well, but it's very hard to get a job there, and salaries are only competitive with the Bay Area at lower levels. That means it's possible to find a job that pays 100k, but 300k compensation packages are far, far more rare than in the Bay Area. I don't know any company apart from Google that pays that much for senior engineers.

I tried to get a job there about 8 months ago, and I could only convince 3 startups to interview me (after I failed to get a job at Google), and I didn't get an offer at any of them. I failed one for "cultural fit", one because I didn't do well enough in the technical phone screen, and with the third one I decided to stop the process because I had another offer and was tired of interviewing. It's fine to not accept people for cultural reasons, but if there are 4 startups that are hiring in Zurich, that kinda sucks for candidates.

Also, recently Google started paying new engineers in Zurich lower than in the US (same salary, far fewer RSUs). I guess the lack of competition in the European market is a good enough reason.

Do you know any companies in Zurich hiring developers that pay Bay Area salaries (100k junior, 200k senior) and hire >100 engineers a year?

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Switzerland, Zurich is the only place in Europe where you can earn Bay Area salaries; I am a software engineer/tech recruiter hiring on behalf of a handful of Swiss companies. If you look for a job ( https://coderfit.com/openedjobs/ ), or know some engineeres who are, please reach out to me. You find my email in my HN-handle. (From an employee's perspective, Switzerland can be counted "as an EU country" since you can…

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but while salaries are high and taxes are relatively low, general living costs are quite high. Particularly if you have kids and so want a bigger house and good schools. I've looked at this and the benefits we get from staying in Germany outweigh the extra income earned.

The living costs are high, but still noticeably lower than the craziness of US tech hubs.
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