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Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by rubyfan »

guu wrote: post #12

I think the closest would be Java's Spring Boot: http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/ I think it is easier to find resources to answer rails questions though. In addition, many of the languages you list are very young and their frameworks lack the maturity of something like Rails, Django, Spring, or Laravel. I think it's worth asking, why are you looking to switch? If rails is not a performance barrier for you, the…

Spring doesn’t seem as straightforward to me as I would hope. Play is similar, there is promise there but just too open ended.

Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by rubyfan »

dudul wrote: post #5

Phoenix in Elixir seems to be really appreciated. The Play framework in Scala is also often mentioned as a very performant tool if latency/throughput/reliability is really what you are after.

I’m after productivity ala Rails. Nothing seems to come close for me yet.

Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by rubyfan »

rubyfan wrote: post #21
guu wrote: post #12

I think the closest would be Java's Spring Boot: http://projects.spring.io/spring-boot/ I think it is easier to find resources to answer rails questions though. In addition, many of the languages you list are very young and their frameworks lack the maturity of something like Rails, Django, Spring, or Laravel. I think it's worth asking, why are you looking to switch? If rails is not a performance barrier for you, the…

Spring doesn’t seem as straightforward to me as I would hope. Play is similar, there is promise there but just too open ended.

The funny thing I see on the springboot quickstart page:

Absolutely no code generation and no requirement for XML configuration

And the very next thing is a maven xml config.

Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by guitarbill »

I know you didn't list Python, but Django works very well. Bit of a learning curve though. Flask is a microframework (also Python), with emphasis on the micro.

Django makes some trade-offs that might make it seem like you're less productive. Maybe it's true, but Django apps are very maintainable in my experience.

Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by 1ba9115454 »

At the moment nothing comes close. Theres are lots of 'Me Too' frameworks but they don't give enough extra benefit to make it worth switching.

In the future we might see something coming out of Rust, there's a nice HTML template api which is typesafe and an ORM called diesel which is also type safe and could give ActiveRecord a run for its money.

Re: Ask HN: What are real Ruby on Rails alternatives in 2017?

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Post by neilwilson »

I think it is more 'Ruby isn't sexy any more' because people older than 25 use it.

It's just the usual thing of the next generation not wanting to listen to the music the previous generation did.

These things come in cycles. I remember when 'Hot Java' was sexy and cool and only throwbacks wrote C. (And when C was sexy and cool and only throwbacks wrote COBOL, etc) There were lots of other languages and frameworks around at the time too that have long since been consigned to the history books.

I never thought fashion would be a factor in IT engineering, but you realise over time that the two things you cannot escape are fashion and politics. They are fundamentally part of the human condition.

If you want long lasting skills in the IT industry make sure you're good at fashion and politics. They'll take you all the way to a comfortable retirement.

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