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Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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I think there's a difference between 100% committed and spending 100% of your time on your startup. For example, would you say that 100% committed means 100% being awake? Probably not, given that you need sleep. I think the same applies here. You probably need time away from your startup to allow your mind to work its own interior miracles. If I were you I'd play that piano, I bet it'll be a net benefit to your start…

It absolutely will be a benefit if he enjoys it, plus the added benefits of training a part of the brain that is largely believed to be related to analytical thinking.

I personally find that stress, worry, fear are bigger enemies than anything else. If I find myself stressed, then I make mistakes and dig myself into the hole further. It takes a lot to just let things go, let it all go and only be in the moment going from where I'm at to where I need to be.

I'm fortunate in that my hobby is programming though :)

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GIVE UP THE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY

Your work may bring you satisfaction, joy and the desire to work long hours; but that ebbs and flows. Some weeks you'll be so excited to be eating ramen noodles and building something that is distinctly yours, the next you may be stressed out about the fact that you haven't figured out how to monetize.

This is why it's important to recharge -- even if you don't think you need it.

Me? I like backpacking. We were bootstrapped for 6 months before closing serious angel money and once a month I left friday night and came back sunday evening. Once a month I couldn't work on the weekend. And even though it was expensive at the time, it made me sane and filled up my gas tanks for a month.

Working 12-14 hour days is fine as long as you do something that makes you happy and refuels you when you need it. If 1 hour a day is what you need, it's an extremely small price to pay for peace of mind. Additionally, my bet is that you'll actually perform better at work.

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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For me, the day-to-day flexibility and freedom is probably the primary advantage of working for myself. There's no doubt that I'm doing something business-related every single day (7 days a week), but the composition and time per day can vary tremendously. It's 11am Tuesday, and if these clouds clear up and I feel like going to the beach, then I might just go and ask if my co-founder wants to come along! This is not theoretical -- this is how we do it. (There are also 12+-hour workdays sometimes, but there's certainly no explicit calculation to try to make it all balance out. And to be honest, it rarely feels like "work".)

The flip-side of this is that if you value the flexibility of your time, you will spend time building systems that automate your required repetitive tasks. I recently spent a few weeks mucking around in some dirty old APIs to automate a particular part of our shipping & order fulfillment, and while that took a lot of effort, it has now cut a 1+ hour/day task down to maybe 1 minute/day. And now I don't need a PC to do that task anymore -- I can do it from anywhere with my iPhone. And we're quick to roll frequently asked questions back into our product, which reduces the time handling future customers with that question. That's how we can get by with two full-time co-founders plus a small staff doing product assembly and order fulfillment.

This is from the perspective of a bootstrapped (no other-people's-money), profitable, 2.5-year-old e-commerce site. If you have other-people's-money, or if your business model requires an acquisition or is advertising-supported, then I'd imagine that it's an entirely different game. But I love being able to work on what I want to work on on a daily basis, and if that sometimes means screwing around with an unrelated project or just going to the beach and "working on" my tan, so be it. That flexibility is worth a lot to me, and if you're choosing the startup route, my guess is that it's worth a lot to you too.

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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You shouldn't deny your curiosities, because you never know what they'll lead to.

Steve Jobs once dropped in on a Calligraphy class, and fell in love with beautiful typography. It had no practical purpose to him at the time, but later in life, when he was building the Mac, he built that beautiful typography into it, changing computers into a design tool.*

Taking time to play the piano will help you relax and think more creatively. Additionally, as your mind makes connections between notes and identifies patterns, it will find parallels in the challenges you face in your startup.

*Story from Jobs's Stanford Commencement Address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1R-jKKp3NA

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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post #3

I think there's a difference between 100% committed and spending 100% of your time on your startup. For example, would you say that 100% committed means 100% being awake? Probably not, given that you need sleep. I think the same applies here. You probably need time away from your startup to allow your mind to work its own interior miracles. If I were you I'd play that piano, I bet it'll be a net benefit to your start…

I think this is a pretty good article on the topic:

http://theholdfast.com/journal/entry/make-time-for-your-pass...

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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You will find many, many people in the industry who will try to suck your soul dry if you let them. VC's, angels, cofounders, coworkers, customers. You will, of course, have time for hobbies. But there may be some social consequences at work if your hobbies keep you from meeting someone else's definition of "committed". It's a stubborn form of machismo that needs to be purged from society, but it's real, especially with the "go big or go home" crowd.

Personally, hobbies take a back seat for me. Not because I don't have time, but because I don't have energy. Even a modest business requires quite a bit of effort.

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

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A variant of this question was asked in "Sacrifice Your Health For Your Startup" at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=679045 referring to http://blog.asmartbear.com/blog/sacrifice-your-health-for-yo...

pg had a good answer at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=679278

   I disagree with this. It's a net win to exercise. You're repaid for the couple 
   hours a week you lose with greater productivity during the remaining hours.
   This is the crucial mistake: 
   "How much time does a bootstrapped company take? All of it."
   That's not true. What a startup (bootstrapped or not) takes is 100% of 
   your performance, not 100% of your time. And optimizing for performance 
   means spending some time on maintenance.
I look at hobbies as maintenance for your mental and emotional health.

Re: Ask HN: Can startup founders afford to spend time on "hobbies"?

#30
The best way to look at it is instead of scheduling your work and fitting in relaxing/hobbies on the side, pick a few high-happiness activities and make /them/ your schedule. E.g., I will play soccer every Tuesday evening. Commit yourself to always doing them and try to not feel tempted to skip, or feel guilty for doing them.

This will significantly increase your ability to feel motivated working at other times (not just increased productivity, but ability to work longer hours other days)

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