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Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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since the downvotes are painful to me. Why?

I guess it's just the general loss aversion people experience - at least that's it for me.

Also I think getting downvoted for something when you honestly can't see that you did anything wrong is kinda hurtful, which happens mostly when downvoting is used as shorthand for disagreement. I've seen a single comment of mine go up-down-up-down with every refresh which still ended up at +4 or so. Which makes me curious if separate up- and down-counters might offer some additional insight over a single counter.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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I would throw a vote in for Joshua Stein, person who started https://lobste.rs . > I was a frequent reader and contributor to Hacker News since 2007, > but got hellbanned[1] in 2012 for complaining about the mystery- > moderators constantly changing submission titles for the worse. [1] - https://jcs.org/notaweblog/2012/06/13/hellbanned_from_hacker...

Wow interesting. I didn't realize there was an alternative hacker news that people actually use outside of reddit. Guess I'm in my own bubble

I like his moderator transparency, downvoting explanation scheme, and overall approach to the site. Seems to be quite run quite differently than HN/Reddit

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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Maybe TerryADavis, he gets a lot of praise and admiration on HN for creating TempleOS, but his comments are often downvoted, and with good reason.

Bloody hell, he's definitely fallen out of the tree, hard. I just looked at his site http://www.templeos.org - he sure does like to use the N-word.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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Maybe TerryADavis, he gets a lot of praise and admiration on HN for creating TempleOS, but his comments are often downvoted, and with good reason.

omg: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=TerryADavis He says things and expresses himself in a way, which is in strong violation with social norms and hacker news guidelines. How could that be?

Wow his posts read like a markov bot using racist screeds and religious texts as corpii.

Poe's law and all but sure reminds me of being manic and my word salad speeches. Hope the guy is OK.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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Maybe TerryADavis, he gets a lot of praise and admiration on HN for creating TempleOS, but his comments are often downvoted, and with good reason.

An interesting and fun introduction to Terry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcqWok8AubE

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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I disagree with many things that tptacek has to say, but I rarely downvote him. Indeed his remarks seem to be a source of much debate and I find that commendable. In my view, downvoting should not be used to indicate disagreement, but to maintain the relatively high signal to noise ratio this forum enjoys. I reserve downvotes for ambit claims that are patently false, personal abuse, offensive language, wilfully beggi…

I quite like your guidelines on what to upvote or downvote. I'll try it as well. In fact, I wish there was a voting etiquette described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Nothing too formal, but just a "here's how the community like to use voting tool"

My upvoting is much looser. I will upvote as a mark of agreement, or if I liked someone's framing of their point, for a nice story, for alliteration and wordplay, or if they mention someone or something I'm fond of, or indeed almost any other positive response from my limbic system.

Guidelines are a potential bikeshed. I don't think it's a terrible idea, but be careful what you wish for.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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> I'm interested in diversity of opinions, not echo chambers, and people who can combine having their own unique point of view that doesn't follow the crowd, as well as still pleasing the crowd a lot of the time are very interesting to me right now. I disagree. It's an overused defence: voicing idiotic opinions is "having a unique point of view"; being rude and domineering is "having an outspoken and blunt demeanour"…

Darwinism, a very objective result - was considered a insult by many for years and even brought to court. Yes, you can defend that civil- but what if your oppossition considers even civil disagreeing as a insult?

Your opinion implies rationality on the side of society and a lot of other unspoken pre-condition to discurs, which never make it to reality.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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What do you want to do with this information ? Getting downvoted in HN is not very hard. You can mention how Bill Gates is trying to buy a stairway to heaven or that Rust should replace C and you'll get spanked. If you express personnal opinions enough times on a website full of intellectuals you are bound to displease regularly unless you have nothing interesting to say. It's a good thing. You can't be right all the…

I mainly want to see what people are like who are effective but also don't care about being downvoted.

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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post #7

I would throw a vote in for Joshua Stein, person who started https://lobste.rs . > I was a frequent reader and contributor to Hacker News since 2007, > but got hellbanned[1] in 2012 for complaining about the mystery- > moderators constantly changing submission titles for the worse. [1] - https://jcs.org/notaweblog/2012/06/13/hellbanned_from_hacker...

Oh, I didn't know that practice has been going on for that long. It's sort of become my pet-peeve as well, seeing as how the "war on clickbait" has resulted in moderators frequently changing perfectly good titles into bland three-word summaries that often do a worse job of representing the articles.

I think they're operating from a definition of "clickbait" that includes anything that makes a headline appealing, including any sort of pun or metaphor. There's nothing wrong with changing "Ten reasons MySQL is better than PG–and how switching may safe your Data". But it should be done sparingly, and default to respecting that the headline is also creative work, and deserves a bit of respect.

The worst example was http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/5139. Halfway through, the post reveals that the author had a heart attack. Not mentioning it in the title was quite obviously a literary choice.

HN changed the headline, before changing it back, to something like "Jason Scott had a heart attack"

(but I guess I better shut up now :). I'd also like to mentioned that, with dead_posts=on, I've come across some seriously above-and-beyond work by dang. Just recently he was basically giving therapy to some guy posting wild rants in low-contrast posts at the bottom of some thread. )

Re: Ask HN: Who are the most controversial (yet still popular) HNers?

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> I'm interested in diversity of opinions, not echo chambers, and people who can combine having their own unique point of view that doesn't follow the crowd, as well as still pleasing the crowd a lot of the time are very interesting to me right now. I disagree. It's an overused defence: voicing idiotic opinions is "having a unique point of view"; being rude and domineering is "having an outspoken and blunt demeanour"…

Only problem with relying on "truth", at least when it comes to Science, studies often can't be reliably reproduced, former editors of prestigious medical journals say half of what they publish is pure rubbish, the NEJM gave up trying to hire independent reviewers of their papers in 1991 because they couldn't find any scientists who weren't tainted by pharma funding. I'm all for rigorous science, it's just that we have too many practitioners these days motivated by money rather than the pursuit of unbiased truth, and in their process, pervert science into nothing more than public relations.

You need look no further than the largest study of bee populations published this week in Nature to see what I'm talking about. It concludes Roundup is killing the bees, and Bayer comes out and calls the study "inconclusive" because it defies the tobacco science they previously bought and paid for.

And I just know someone is going to post a link from Snopes, confirming Bayer's version of the truth, without investigating any of the underlying science, but will accept Snopes' version of the truth as the actual truth. Because Snopes. Let's not even acknowledge nobody at Snopes has any journalistic nor investigative credentials.

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