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Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by cutler »

cookiecaper wrote: post #14
tavrobel wrote: post #7

My guess is that they are the flavor of the month (knowing only Rails+JS is widely employable), and have a low enough barrier to entry that you can realistically teach someone enough to be useful in the timescale of a bootcamp. Add a little HTML/CSS and you can do front end as well. I think the auto-magicness of Rails helps, since it gives you so much even if you are relatively inexperienced. Then you have a jumping…

Rails is not that employable anymore. Sure, you can find gigs for it in tech hotspots, but that's true for any language. For people living in the Real World outside of the tech bubbles, Rails jobs have mostly died out and been replaced with Node jobs.

Not here in the UK. Agreed, most Rails jobs are in London but outside the capital PHP:Node is about 7:1 on Indeed.co.uk by job title and that's excluding WordPress, Drupal, Magento and Joomla.

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by ransom1538 »

ransom1538 wrote: post #20

Most actual work is in "php". But, it isn't 'hip' anymore. So, they teach ruby. Ruby is more difficult and less clear. Rails itself is a land of 'gotchas' (I have 10 years exp in both). After learning ruby/rails it will be difficult to find work and understand basic database constructs. /end rattling my cane https://www.google.com/search?q=php+vs+rails+stats&ie=utf-8&...

Also, as you can see, mentioning php will get you down voted.

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by cookiecaper »

cutler wrote: post #21
cookiecaper wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails is not that employable anymore. Sure, you can find gigs for it in tech hotspots, but that's true for any language. For people living in the Real World outside of the tech bubbles, Rails jobs have mostly died out and been replaced with Node jobs.

Not here in the UK. Agreed, most Rails jobs are in London but outside the capital PHP:Node is about 7:1 on Indeed.co.uk by job title and that's excluding WordPress, Drupal, Magento and Joomla.

Yeah, PHP, .NET, and Java are always going to be king outside of the tech hubs. I'm saying that the niche that used to be occupied by Rails jobs is being/has been replaced by the niche now occupied by Node.js jobs.

Rails does not have the widespread appeal it used to -- it's not the hip new kid on the block like it was in 2005. At my employer, the people who handle Rails act like it's radioactive and are itching to replace it with more "modern" things.

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by cutler »

cookiecaper wrote: post #23
cutler wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not here in the UK. Agreed, most Rails jobs are in London but outside the capital PHP:Node is about 7:1 on Indeed.co.uk by job title and that's excluding WordPress, Drupal, Magento and Joomla.

Yeah, PHP, .NET, and Java are always going to be king outside of the tech hubs. I'm saying that the niche that used to be occupied by Rails jobs is being/has been replaced by the niche now occupied by Node.js jobs. Rails does not have the widespread appeal it used to -- it's not the hip new kid on the block like it was in 2005. At my employer, the people who handle Rails act like it's radioactive and are itching to r…

Node:Rails is about 1.5 in London and 2.2 in the rest of the UK so, yes, Node seems to be more popular than Rails outside the capital. The complicating factor, however, may be the hiring culture in the Rails community. Because Ruby and Rails are so strong on community it may be that a lot more Rails vacancies are advertised informally. That's certainly been my experience.

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by knocte »

ransom1538 wrote: post #20

Most actual work is in "php". But, it isn't 'hip' anymore. So, they teach ruby. Ruby is more difficult and less clear. Rails itself is a land of 'gotchas' (I have 10 years exp in both). After learning ruby/rails it will be difficult to find work and understand basic database constructs. /end rattling my cane https://www.google.com/search?q=php+vs+rails+stats&ie=utf-8&...

I guess you meant "it will not be difficult...".

Otherwise, can you ellaborate?

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by jw2k »

Quite simply, it's great market fit.

JavaScript has extremely low barrier to entry. Everyone has a browser, so you can get someone to get started without download any software. That's huge.

Rails has the benefit of providing a framework that can get someone building functional CRUD apps in a tremendously short period of time.

Between those two, you've hit a nice sweet spot where someone can be fully functional as a developer in a short period of time (talent/quality/patience aside).

Re: Ask HN: Why do coding bootcamps teach Ruby on Rails and JavaScript?

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Post by paulddraper »

purity_resigns wrote: post #17
paulddraper wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many ways do people write Hello World in C, Java, Ruby, Python?

for letter in 'hello world?': print(letter, end='')

Hm, yes, I think I have seen that once on HN.
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