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Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

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Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#21
A coding bootcamp is fine, but it won't get you much closer to doing block chain or deep learning work.

The analogy is you wouldn't necessarily take the Olive Garden line cook training class if you wanted to be a French chef. Sure, it won't hurt to learn how to use a knife and it might be a decent Step 0, but it won't get you much of the way towards your goal.

You should really consider a more in-depth CS education, whether that's through a traditional university or something like a Coursera / Udacity nano degree in your areas of interest.

As a practical matter, it might be better to stay employed while you pursue that. But that's up to you. Plan on spending some significant time learning (1-2 years at least) before you can do what you want, not just a few weeks.

You're very smart to consider getting into something like deep learning. The opportunities will be good over the next 10 years like you said - but only for those who are really good at it. It's a very technical field that requires lots of continuing learning. The competition for the best jobs is high. Don't get into coding unless you are very excited about it and willing to invest in learning it for the rest of your life.

If you are excited about coding and willing to put years of learning into it, go for it! But otherwise you could take the impressive skills you already have and find a way to reinvent yourself and apply them in the deep learning industry without becoming the actual coder yourself.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#22
Companies have this ridiculous idea that you have to either be a PM or a developer but you can't be both. Virtually everybody in an organization except developers wants to reinforce the view that developers are just dumb coders who's only purpose is to implement the whims of everyone else in the company as fast as possible. Every PM thinks they would be successful if only they had more devs to boss around. Becoming a developer is not going to be like you think.

Even as a former PM, PM's at your company will try to exert power over you if you are a dev. They will be backed up by executive management, board members, investors, the media who all have an interest in maintaining this outdated view of the programmer who takes the specifications and simply types in the code. Why not fire PM's and just hire PM's that code? PM's don't like that, executives (who don't code) don't like that, even the janitor doesn't like that. Nobody likes that except for devs and devs have no power in companies because of self reinforcing old school ideas about job roles.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#25
I'd think the answer would depend on which of the top 3 tech companies you work for: Apple, Samsung, or Foxconn.

Edit: Let me try a more helpful response (though I did intend to make a point there). You seem very focused on what you have: a good salary, a top 3 education, a job at a top 3 company. Things you expect should make you happy, basically, but you aren't, and this is confusing, and it's always scary to give it up if you haven't figured out why those things don't make you happy. But IMO, if that interpretation is correct, it's more important to attempt to find things that do make you happy rather than dwell too much on why the things you have, which are often equated with success in our culture, are not doing it.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#26
I personally think you are better off trying to learn this on your own. It seems like you have the enthusiasm. It sounds like you're also unhappy with where you work. You could try changing jobs to something where you have lots of free time (good/work life balance, no commute) and work on learning to code. Coding boot camps are very web development focused.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#27
> I have a feeling tremendous opportunity will be available over the next 10 years to software developers while other disciplines such as management become less and less important.

We're in a period when everyone is "learning to code". This means the potential pool of developers (ignoring their actual talent levels) is growing.

Someone has to check whether the stuff people are making is following whet needs to be created. Someone has to be able to manage the teams of people making these things.

I'd suggest your premise is the wrong way round.

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#28

Companies have this ridiculous idea that you have to either be a PM or a developer but you can't be both. Virtually everybody in an organization except developers wants to reinforce the view that developers are just dumb coders who's only purpose is to implement the whims of everyone else in the company as fast as possible. Every PM thinks they would be successful if only they had more devs to boss around. Becoming a…

"Companies"? The model you are describing is dying a speedy death IMHO. The only PMs left where I work are quite technical and do manage to join the dots between projects economics, office-politics, and engineering. Needing a PM is an indication that either something is very new, or is going very wrong. May I advise you to look for employment somewhere not going down the drain?

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#29
Yes very crazy. I have a anecdotal survey of all coders I know: most of whom all graduated from only median Tier-2 US & News Report Ranked Nat'l Universities (>15) and whom have on average, earn only median Fortune Magazine's Best Jobs annual ranked salaries as Application Developer, and only very few employed by Forbes' Most Admired Companies list or who are on the Mattermark's Top 100 Startup Index.

Most don't feel like they're building lasting career skills, as agism persists in the industry and most people work on web applications to satisfy enterprise project business specification and project managers. During lunch, I hear conversations about the future of technology and the type of technology that we can work on if we only quit to start or work for a cool start up (e.g., Tesla, SpaceX). The consensus is that there is a tremendous opportunity for these emerging technology area's while other disciplines such as closing JIRA tickets will become marginalized. So I'd advise you to stay away from the enterprise coding bootcamps and only apply for the specialized tech bootcamp that emphasizes on these emerging technologies. The few that come to the mind are, creating new cryptocurrency payment models (for Paypal), writing self-driving cars hardware/software (for Tesla) and harnessing deep/learning AI (for Google DeepMind).

Re: Ask HN: I will quit my job as a PM to join a coding bootcamp. Am I crazy?

#30

Yes, you're crazy. Keep your high paying job. Learn computer science on the side. The really interesting stuff usually requires deeper knowledge and skills. For problems worth solving, 15 years experience as a CRUD developer is no better than 15 years experience as a project manager. Making this career change won't necessarily help you gain the skills you want.

This is what I was going to say as well. Don't jump into "boot camp", start taking night classes at your local community college (or if you have flexible hours) day classes. Even MOOC/online classes during the evenings will be a path to adding coding skills to your resume.
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