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Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

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Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

#21

What about the up and down arrows? There's only key there in your first image..

The up and down keys are half-height without a spacer between them. Together they take up the same space as one letter key. That's the way it has been on Macbooks for a while.

The change on that keyboard is that the left and right keys are now full height; they used to be half-height with a half-space above.

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

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post #14

It's really hard not to see this as just a continuous and perpetual dumbing-down by Apple of all its products, to the point of uselessness for essentially anyone who isn't an 80 year old grandmother who's never used a computer before and needs to use skype.

On the other hand, the touch bar might introduce opportunities for more sophisticated and flexible interfaces.

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

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post #20

I use VIM. I will not be upgrading to the newest apple products. I think I'll phase them out instead.

Maybe you should wait until the products are released before judging them.

Also, a VIM user that actually uses the escape key? I don't know how you tolerate that. I bound jk to escape years ago, and in the rare case where I'm ssh'd into a machine that doesn't have my vim config I still find ^[ easier to type than escape (which is probably because I bound caps lock to control so ^[ is easy to type).

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

#26

I'm in the market for the new MacBok Pro and the OLED row makes me excited, but as a Vim user the lack of an physical escape key would be problem for me. I have Caps Lock mapped to Ctrl and I'm glad that MacOS provides this option out of the box, but Caps Lock as Esc is not an option for me. I hope there will be an out of the box way to map Escape to something sensible. I'd trade ~ for Esc anytime, as long as ~ and `…

I map 'jk' to escape, but if I'm ssh'd into a machine without my config, I can also press ^[ instead (since I too map caps lock to control), that's still easier than hitting the physical escape key.

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

#27

Apple could easily persist an ESC virtual button in the same spot. Or provide a user setting to do so.

I think they'll absolutely do this (assuming there isn't a physical ESC key). But, I think the experience would suck for users that are hitting ESC all day (e.g., vim users)

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

#28

Apple could easily persist an ESC virtual button in the same spot. Or provide a user setting to do so.

I think they'll absolutely do this (assuming there isn't a physical ESC key). But, I think the experience would suck for users that are hitting ESC all day (e.g., vim users)

If I were them, I would have kept the physical ESC and power keys at either end and fit the touch bar in between.

They still could; the part in that picture might not be final. (It probably is though.)

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MBP is nice b/c of the retina screen. Most laptops have crappy screens. In fact, I would go as far as saying that the MBP has the best screen by a decent margin.

I definitely have to agree, but they're getting serious competition on that front now. The Surface Pro is very close in ppi to the rMBP. Vendors are asking for this to compete with Apple.

PPI isn't everything. The quality of the glass/plastic is also an issue. My DELL 4K monitor certainly has the resolution, but it also looks like I'm staring at a textured surface because they use cheaper acid etched plastic as the anti-glare solution.

Re: Ask HN: No mechanical escape key in new Macbook Pros?

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post #26

I'm in the market for the new MacBok Pro and the OLED row makes me excited, but as a Vim user the lack of an physical escape key would be problem for me. I have Caps Lock mapped to Ctrl and I'm glad that MacOS provides this option out of the box, but Caps Lock as Esc is not an option for me. I hope there will be an out of the box way to map Escape to something sensible. I'd trade ~ for Esc anytime, as long as ~ and `…

I map 'jk' to escape, but if I'm ssh'd into a machine without my config, I can also press ^[ instead (since I too map caps lock to control), that's still easier than hitting the physical escape key.

I used 'jj' for a while but the short delay to display j threw me off. I have Ctrl on Caps Lock so pressing Ctrl-[ is decent but still: I never got used to it.

I met Bram at Vimfest in Berlin recently and asked him if he remaps Esc. He said something along the lines of: "No, I aim for the upper left of my keyboard and hope for the best".

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