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Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by uptownfunk » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:15 AM UTC

projectramo wrote: post #19

You should probably ask about domain-language-IDE combos. For example (and these are going to be controversial, but they're just examples): Datascience - Python - Spyder IDE iOS - Swift - Xcode For the web, you get a lot more competition because it is a little harder to develop, and there are lots of backends and front ends to pick between. Probably: Web app- Django/Rails/Restful Node - Sublime, Dev tools in chrome a…

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Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by kek918 » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 11:42 AM UTC

I probably don't have as much experience as others, but I've dabbled around in a few languages and I think my best/most fun experience was when I were learning and creating a couple GUI desktop programs with Qt framework in C++ using their Qt Creator IDE. It's really a blast to work with and everything just feels in harmony.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by MyNewAcc » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 12:53 PM UTC

deepaksurti wrote: post #14

Common Lisp (Emacs, Slime) or LispWorks (which has a free personal edition). After using live image based development, going back to the edit, compile, test cycle is like going back to the stone age. And CL has libraries. See quick lisp. [1] My own comparison with Python, which I have been using regularly. Python is a toy Lisp with all the adult parts hidden. [1] https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/

ditto. I've used just about every language and IDE out there. Eclipse and Java. C++ with every IDE out there. Javascript. Some niche languages. Everything.

Common Lisp and it's tooling is the best dev experience I've found. Other langs can support live coding, but it's always a poorly supported exotic option that feels like crap compared to SLIME.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by projectramo » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

uptownfunk wrote: post #21

projectramo wrote: post #19

You should probably ask about domain-language-IDE combos. For example (and these are going to be controversial, but they're just examples): Datascience - Python - Spyder IDE iOS - Swift - Xcode For the web, you get a lot more competition because it is a little harder to develop, and there are lots of backends and front ends to pick between. Probably: Web app- Django/Rails/Restful Node - Sublime, Dev tools in chrome a…

Data science - r/rstudio

That is exactly the combination I was thinking of when I wrote it is controversial.

I agree that combination is at least as good.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by wallace_f » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 3:26 PM UTC

panic wrote: post #13

Of the languages I've used, Visual Basic (pre-.NET). I never used Hypercard, but I hear it was pretty good too. Newer languages tend to be too complicated to have great development environments.

I really did not expect to see someone say pre-.NET VB on Hacker News

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by chris_7 » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 7:50 PM UTC

projectramo wrote: post #19

You should probably ask about domain-language-IDE combos. For example (and these are going to be controversial, but they're just examples): Datascience - Python - Spyder IDE iOS - Swift - Xcode For the web, you get a lot more competition because it is a little harder to develop, and there are lots of backends and front ends to pick between. Probably: Web app- Django/Rails/Restful Node - Sublime, Dev tools in chrome a…

> iOS - Swift - Xcode

Maybe once SourceKitService doesn't crash constantly, and the compiler doesn't segfault when type inference breaks down.

The Swift experience has the potential to be among the best, and the design is there, but the implementation is very lacking at the moment.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by bbcbasic » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 10:43 AM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #25

panic wrote: post #13

Of the languages I've used, Visual Basic (pre-.NET). I never used Hypercard, but I hear it was pretty good too. Newer languages tend to be too complicated to have great development environments.

I really did not expect to see someone say pre-.NET VB on Hacker News

HN never fails to suprise. I found vb6 ok for simple stuff but a recipe for spaghetti on medium to large projects

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by bbcbasic » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 10:48 AM UTC

Haskell. Terse language means ide is not necessary and vim with your fave plugins does the trick nicely. No need for debugger as you can compose your program beautifully and test the last ounce of shit out of every little component using properly based testing.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by J_Darnley » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 1:08 PM UTC

arcanus wrote: post #4

C. Nothing else has the right mix between a high level, portable programming language, and the low, system level call capabilities of C.

Seconded. It is also one of the few languages in which you can easily bundle everything into a static executable.

Re: Ask HN: What language has the best developer experience?

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Post by wallace_f » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

bbcbasic wrote: post #27

wallace_f wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really did not expect to see someone say pre-.NET VB on Hacker News

HN never fails to suprise. I found vb6 ok for simple stuff but a recipe for spaghetti on medium to large projects

I had to use it at one job and it was exactly that, a spaghetti nightmare. I did not like it. I don't want to say it's bad, though, I just prefer to shy away from it and don't see any point in using it again.