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Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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You won't get a $250k salary as a "proficient JavaScript engineer" living in the Midwest. For that much money one could hire 3-5 reasonable developers a year in the Midwest. Developers in the Bay Area earn six figures because the cost of living is so darn high. If you jump jobs make sure it's for a 20% increase INCLUDING the cost of living difference otherwise you might be losing money (unless you just want a situati…

5 devs :)?

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP says they work remote. One could get two remote jobs, and choose employers based on their time zone such that their business hours don't overlap much. But the point stands: this would be a terrible way to live.

It would be hell imho. I worked 2 '9-5' jobs for a brief moment in my high school years; strawberry picking in the morning (5-14ish without break) and working in a distribution center (16-1ish with a break); that was hard, but it made a lot of money and was mind numbing so I was doing assembler in my head (ah to be young :) and writing assembly / drawing game sprites on scraps of paper in my pocket. It was ok. Many y…

I agree, it would be hell. This is why it's important to determine what your goals are: make as much money as possible at any cost, or...?

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be hell imho. I worked 2 '9-5' jobs for a brief moment in my high school years; strawberry picking in the morning (5-14ish without break) and working in a distribution center (16-1ish with a break); that was hard, but it made a lot of money and was mind numbing so I was doing assembler in my head (ah to be young :) and writing assembly / drawing game sprites on scraps of paper in my pocket. It was ok. Many y…

make programming in my head possible again. Not sure if i'll ever get there but I will die trying Is it due to age that you can no longer do this, or something else? Good luck with it! I've never actually "programmed in my head", but I definitely think about my projects while out hiking or whatever.

It is because of the many many libaries you need now to make something. When I get to write embedded or doing algorithms then I do my best work walking in nature but that is only like 10% of the job. The rest involves looking up library docs or stackoverflow help for badly written, fast changing libraries. The last time it worked were Django APIs. Django is actually stable and we use only multi year stable libs. But frontend: I cannot remember the 1000s of edge cases and they also change per library often. Outside JQuery I guess.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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This has everything you need: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/02/22/getting-rich-from-...

I personally ignore most of MMM's frugal lifestyle stuff and focus on the saving 25x your annual spending part.

I highly recommend the book Your Money or Your Life as well. You don't need 250K/yr (unless you are using the surplus to achieve financial independence).

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Money-Life-Transforming-Relations...

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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At a certain point it becomes important to be attached to the revenue of a company. Whether that is by direct billing as a consultant, being a founder, or a principal, or some other position where your income is not dependent on salary. Moving to management in and of itself does not accomplish this, but in many organizations managers are easier to tie to revenue, which is why it seems that way. At the end of the day,…

I wish, I wish I could The Economist article on this, but searching online for "how millionaires become rich" and similar things is an awful way to find useful info. :) However, I remember reading in The Economist that the majority of millionaires (you can debate if that's real wealth or not) become that way through PROFESSIONAL jobs: law, management consulting, investment banking rather than entrepreneurship. Arguab…

You become a millionaire by making an average middle-class salary ($45k ish), marrying someone else who does the same, setting your 401k to 15%, and waiting a few decades. That does not make you rich, it is simply the prerequisite for retirement.

"Millionaire" at 25 means rich. Millionaire at 50 means it is at least plausible you will retire without wrecking your children's finances to keep you off the street in old age.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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Before doing anything mentioned, figure out if you can change your employment status to an independent contractor via an S-Corporation. This will allow you greater flexibility in creating a defined benefit plan and minimizing your taxes.

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employ...

You will need an attorney/accountant/actuary to make sure your S-corporation is valid and does not ever create some situation where you lose that status. Then you need a good accountant that knows the ins and outs of keeping track of your S-corporation accounting especially two corporate-level attributes—earnings and profits (E&P) and the accumulated adjustments account (AAA).

Then you will need an actuary. Most actuaries have transparent pricing like the following:

http://pensionspecialist.net/defined-benefit-plans/

The goal for a single owner S-corp will be to maximize your salary to defer as much as possible. The money put into your defined benefit plan is tax deductible. The contribution limits are high and are set with your actuary.

Your goal will be fund your benefit plan up to 2.5 Million. When your retire (early at 55 is possible I think), you can take the lump sum or an annuity. At this point you pay taxes on it.

Meanwhile, you can manage and invest your fund according to what you and the actuary think is best. The investments/contributions/plan will change due to various factors.

I believe when you hit 2.5 Million you are fully funded. You can freeze your plan at that point or continue funding it. Ask an actuary.

This is what doctors, attorneys, and high earning consultants do. Very few corporations provide this any more.

If you want to look at examples, put your zip code into this page: http://search.pbgc.gov/search/InsuredPlans/InsuredPlans?quer...

The added benefit is that your pension is insured by the government via the PBGC. For small firms the insurance rates are affordable.

http://www.pbgc.gov/prac/prem/premium-rates.html

Here is a sample of deductions per plan. It seems dated, these amounts should be more by now.

http://www.412iplansinc.net/whatis412i.htm

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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post #21

You won't get a $250k salary as a "proficient JavaScript engineer" living in the Midwest. For that much money one could hire 3-5 reasonable developers a year in the Midwest. Developers in the Bay Area earn six figures because the cost of living is so darn high. If you jump jobs make sure it's for a 20% increase INCLUDING the cost of living difference otherwise you might be losing money (unless you just want a situati…

5 devs :)?

Yes. 3 senior devs or 5 junior devs would fit cleanly in $250k, at least in the part of the midwest I'm at.

Re: Ask HN: How to earn over $250K a year?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 devs :)?

Yes. 3 senior devs or 5 junior devs would fit cleanly in $250k, at least in the part of the midwest I'm at.

not counting medical benefits and overheads and significantly stretching definition of Senior and even then seems low.
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