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Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

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I understand, but what I am suggesting is looking in their "sold listings" to get a benchmark on how much your startup is worth. IMO it answers your post question much better than any HN commenter might do (except if a HN commenter is willing to actually buy your startup)

Excellent idea - you sir/ma'am are a genius!!

I will be careful about SOLD listings there. They never list the actual selling price but only the asking price. So you don't know what the final sale price was.

Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

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Thank you for taking the time to respond. So far all of the offers that I've received, some from "known" companies, value the business based upon it's traffic, users, brand & future potential within the real estate industry. And surprisingly, none have shown much interest in the ad revenue. So this is really why I'm seeking outside advice on what others think based upon the little information that I've provided. I'm…

Serious question: why do you need to sell to focus on another startup, when you say this one is pretty much autopilot? It seems whatever time you save on upkeep will be used by income anxiety instead. If I were in your shoes I'd never sell unless I get a multiple that approaches S&P. Which already pays rather poorly for income considering how low interest rates are. This is only if your business is forecast to be ste…

That's basically what I've been doing the past few years and the reason why I've rejected previous offers. My thought process has been, why accept $XXXk when I'll just earn it anyway within X years and I'll still have the business.

I have launched a few things during the past few years which are also generating revenue, but my latest idea will require a lot more time, focus & marketing spend to get off the ground. Also, it would be very nice to be able to pay off my mortgage & have a decent cushion in the bank.

Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

#24
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Congratulations on your success thus far. There are several pricing models one can use for small business valuation. In this case, your company earns revenue using advertising (AdSense and affiliate). Companies like this are priced differently from e.g. SaaS startups which are in turn priced differently from companies selling enterprise desktop software. The industry standard for ad revenue companies is a 20-24x mult…

Thank you for taking the time to respond. So far all of the offers that I've received, some from "known" companies, value the business based upon it's traffic, users, brand & future potential within the real estate industry. And surprisingly, none have shown much interest in the ad revenue. So this is really why I'm seeking outside advice on what others think based upon the little information that I've provided. I'm…

It's absolutely no surprise that they're not factoring ad-revenue in. If you have a market with people who have the intent to purchase (a la Zillow) as well as the means, that traffic is worth about as much as commercial insurance leads or recruiter leads for a good candidate. The estimate made by the grand-father poster is right in terms of how startups are traditionally valued; however, I'd argue that you're not a traditional SaaS (that tends to see explosive growth).

Grow it like a small business or find someone who's a professional real estate agent with extensive experience in the online markets, and figure out an edge. Whether it's selling insurance affiliate services or something else along the lines of that, what you have right now is a very valuable entity that's being severely under-capitalized.

The fact that you have paying users is indicative that youve generated trust and deliver value. Right now you're in a powerful position. I'm assuming most of that affiliate marketing is for creditkarma credit checks/mortgage prequalification leads. I'm not sure what your numbers are in terms of conversions but I can tell you definitively with the traffic youre pushing you're at the point where you can call up those agencies and threaten to take your business elsewhere unless they make an offer to increase your rate. If you're going through an affiliate marketing program, they're taking a cut between you and the lender. You have the power in that relationship (that is, you leave and he loses all his revenue without any recourse; if he leaves you, you can just sign up with someone else who'll happily take your leads). Alternatively, I've seen deals go through where mid-sized regional banks offer a massive rate for exclusivity.

Those numbers are great especially for mobile. If you do sell it, sell a chunk of it (~30%, no more than 49%, you want to retain ownership on this trust me. He might want majority, in which case the middle-ground is to structure the deal with buy-out terms that are amenable to both parties, allowing you to essentially defer the large decision of selling a potentially profitable, under-utilized business until you see how it develops) for _significantly_ more than that 270k-350k estimate. The reason Zillow/Redfin/etc are making an offer right now (whatever they're offering, ask for 3x) is because they know how valuable your traffic is and are aware that you're undercapitalizing that traffic. If you find the right person who has experience in that market and offer him that 30% ownership with a huge incentive bonus for any revenue growth that's beyond the estimated growth curve.

Think about it this way: 250k is the price of a moderately decent house in a non-major city. If a real estate agent manages to close 20 deals over the course of 3 years at a little over 6 houses a year at 250k, he has already passed your one-time revenue cash out at 250k. I can safely say that at least 20 agents are making their 6% rip a week because of your site with those numbers.

Those SEO numbers are insanely good, especially since mobile is so important in housing sales (e.g., 100k will get you a fantastic app that someone can turn on when they're driving through a neighborhood they like, and you can sell those listings to agents for premium access for 200-300/mo. Compare that to reddit where mobile-aware doesn't add much to the value proposition).

Email me if you want to chat more. Contact information is in my profile.

Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

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First, congrats, you did something that many of us fail at more than once. But in the end, you have a hobby business that is not really growing but only teetering so far, likely because as you said you aren't putting in a lot of time and using it only as a side thing.

I really am not trying to be an ass, but I am trying to be honest based on my own experiences. Your business isn't worth as much as you would like, although it is quite valuable in many ways. Simply put, you don't have a $135k profit on revenue of $140k because you are discounting the real cost to run and grow the business which someone else will have to hire out at least a portion of, pay taxes on, pay state fees etc. So in reality, assuming the person is willing to assume at least 2-3 of the hats (business, finance and customer service) and hire out the technical then they may net $10-80k depending on if they hire contractors or a full time person.

At the same time like others already pointed out, it will boil down to how much is someone willing to pay. But outside of a corporation that finds your project attractive because of market fit, or leads or something along those lines, sophisticated individuals with cash will not pay major multiples for a business that is essentially only mildly profitable after they factor in costs to maintain and grow it. So your best bet is to sell to a corporation that has sunk costs already that is happy to take the extra revenue and leads and run.

Not saying you couldn't get $150k to even at the high end $300k, but it will take a special set of circumstances. Otherwise, I'd say you are looking at more like a $60k-150k type of sale being far more likely.

No matter what, good luck and I hope you can maximize your benefit.

Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

#28

I had 16M pageviews in 2015 and a hell of a lot less adsense earnings than you :( What's your CPM?

16M ! That's amazing ! Can I ask you what is your page about ?

https://rebrickable.com - A LEGO database that shows you which sets you can build from your existing collection, also includes thousands of fan-submitted designs.

My adsense earnings are terrible though, I've always assumed because the site is more image heavy than text.

Re: Ask HN: What's my profitable startup worth? (detailed stats provided)

#29

I had 16M pageviews in 2015 and a hell of a lot less adsense earnings than you :( What's your CPM?

AdSense RPM, which I assume is the same as CPM, was $4 for 2015 and for about 6 months in 2013 it jumped up to $12. Would be very nice if that happened again.
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