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Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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I'd think that the biggest sign (though arguably a sign that a technology has already become commoditized) is when you see a leading vendor explicitly announcing/advertising a price cut. At that point, the story they're telling is concretely shifting away from the narrative of "our technology is uniquely suited to your needs" and toward "we can give you more widgets per dollar than the other guy".

Example: GoPro. They recently announced a substantial price cut, and their stock took a pretty big hit in the wake of that announcement.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

#22
Every technology will become commoditized sooner or later eventually.

But here are some signs to tell when a technology goes from an innovation to a commodity

1) An increase in competitors is a sure sign of commoditization.

Increase in competitors -> price war mostly -> existing core technology becomes commoditized as players start to differentiate with value-added services/products.

2) A new technology emerges that's 10x better on some dimension but still out of reach and a few years out of most customers' hands. It forces existing market for the technology to demand lower and lower prices for old tech -> commoditization of that tech as original innovator no longer might find it worth it to pursue that product.

3) Regulation could some time force commoditization. Often seen in healthcare/drugs production.

I'm sure there are others. The common vain is that there's a rapid increase in competition.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the huge risk someone would be putting many others in by attempting to construct and run a fission facility, I'm not sure anyone should be "free" to do so.

But a coal plant spewing radioactive by-products into the air is perfectly kosher, amirite?

No, I believe you are wrong.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Volume leads to low cost and high quality. That's why Ethernet got commoditized but fiber channel didn't. Today notable examples are in solar power and batteries, but also think sparc vs x86 vs arm (mobile volumes much higher than desktop/server)

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Mobile Device Management (MDM). Blackberry got the ball rolling in the early 2000's, but it was the release of iPhone and Android that got vendors rich.

Apple and Google created API's and enrollment processes to manage devices (device lock, wipe, etc.). Companies created software to consume those API's, the biggest being AirWatch, Mobile Iron, and MaaS360. AirWatch was acquired by VMware for $1.5billion in 2014 and Mobile Iron went public, rising 22% in the first day of trading. MaaS360 was acquired by IBM for several hundred million.

At first, license fees were high, competition wasn't too fierce, and the market was booming.

Then many more low-cost players moved in. Open source MDM software appeared. One company (Miradore) gives MDM away for free to hook customers on IT management fees and various other upsells. Mobile Iron stock is down 70% for the year.

I was listening to an NPR podcast this morning and heard an advertisement for a product named Bushel doing Apple MDM. I think the definition of commoditized tech is when you hear companies advertising on NPR.

My take on the situation is that it's risky to build a core business merely consuming other company's API's. Doing analysis and more advanced things, sure. But simply executing an API command is not special. The MDM list of features is completely controlled by Apple and Android manufacturers, and anytime they release a new feature, every MDM player instantly gets access to it. The only differentiation between products becomes how effectively they use the pre-existing API's (scaling, integration with other enterprise products, etc.) and pricing. This obviously becomes a race-to-the-bottom on pricing, destroying margins.

The reason I know so much about this is that I work at a company called Apperian, focusing on Mobile Application Management (MAM). We use to compete with the MDM guys, but it's a completely different game now. All of our core technology is unique, most of it is patented / patent pending, and we solve problems that the MDM API's cannot. We dominate the MAM industry, although niche and much smaller than the MDM sector, is growing very quickly. It would be extremely difficult and costly for a company to implement what we do, in contrast to the MDM guys.

It's been very interesting to watch the rise and fall of big players, as our sales keep booming. I will keep watching the drama unfold.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could make an argument that those things aren't bought and sold in a free market. Passenger planes and general aviation planes are at least semi-commoditized, but fighters, bombers, spy planes, missiles are all built for basically one buyer, the US DoD. The DoD decides which firms succeed and which fail, essentially. The "market" for nuclear power plants is so regulated as to prevent it from being "free" except t…

Considering the huge risk someone would be putting many others in by attempting to construct and run a fission facility, I'm not sure anyone should be "free" to do so.

What's your definition of "free?"

I'm possibly free to construct and run a fission facility, but I still have to follow the relevant regulations at all steps of the process.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a coal plant spewing radioactive by-products into the air is perfectly kosher, amirite?

No, I believe you are wrong.

Good, because it sure sounds wrong to me. Otherwise, I'd have to believe that radioactive pollution is only a problem when it looks bad on CNN.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

#29
post #18

- When there is a bunch of people on the internet discussing it. - When you can buy the components on Alibaba for a fraction of the publicy known price Example: electric powertrain for cars. You could convert your car in a pure electric one for less than 4000USD by buying the motor & controller on the internet. And 22kWh worth of batteries (18650) for less than 6000USD. Very interesting stuff!

>for less than 4000USD

I'm assuming this isn't including paid labor and you're doing the engine/tranny swap yourself? Do you have any links to people doing this?

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

#30
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I don't mean this quite in the 'derogatory' way it's going to sound like, but offshoring is a serious sign of trouble when it comes to commoditization. If what you're doing as a business can be done for a fifth of the cost in the Philippines, India, etc, then you have a serious clock on your business model before the 'quality, quality, quality!!' argument runs out. Seen it with a few things now. The biggest flaw that…

"The biggest flaw that businesses do in this situation is believe in that the quality of the product will continue to outweigh the cost difference. It won't. ;/"

Do you count the loss in sales as cost? Or time to rework something? Sometimes it's hard to figure out if there's going to be a correlation before you do it.

About 10 years ago, we tried to do most of our work offshore. Company said they could hire 5 engineers for the price of one here in the states. We started looking overpaid and I'm sure the managers thought we were. It didn't last long. We still offshore, but it's much more strategic.

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