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where do you think most of that info came from though? Not from the public library
I hear you, But my understanding is LLM can consume multiple sources of information and deduce what is the truth better and more accurately than a human clicking on multiple Google links and veryfying information and sources.
Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an insightful comment, but I feel like you omit the fact that LLMs often give out verifiably false information that can hurt the user or other people. It is true that this also happens on the Internet, but! When I encounter an article about a topic and it is clearly LLM generated, I can expect it doesn't contain much valuable information, only rehashes of what is already out there. On the other hand, when it…
You're right that LLMs do spit out false information or wrong knowledge. I've experienced them too. But a redeeming quality is that we can ask the same LLM to fact check its own answer step by step in real time with little effort. They often identify their own hallucinations and reduce the probability of retaining that mistake in the rest of the conversation. This isn't easy with human sources. The effort to fact che…
It is not really a redeeming quality of LLM. It falls apart because if you want to properly fact check an LLM, you have to make yourself aquinted on human-generated contents- facts, arguments, and biases from "both sides" when it comes to complex topics. What's the point of relying on LLM if you are having to do that anyways to reach objective truth?
Case in point- someone in a tweet used LOTR reference to the US/Israel vs Iran conflict, equating Iran to Sauron and US/Israel to the good guys. I asked Grok if that is a valid parallel. In the beginning, Grok agreed with the tweet. Then I had to point out how Iran has been weakened by decades of sanctions by US, it started to agree that US might be more like Sauron's army. Grok time and again used Islamic regime's treatment of it's own people as an evidence that Iran might be the evil force, but when I cited Israel's treatment of other Arab civilians, or the Shah regime's treatment of it's own people back in the day and it's allegience to US, it changed it's stance again. When I cited it's influence on US policies, Grok even admitted that Israel might be the Wormtongue here.
This also shows how LLM totally falls apart as a way to reach objective truth, because you can manipulate it to say anything that you want. I could easily present evidence from my own research and make Grok reach completely opposite conclusions.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When do you stop the fact checking? Exactly the same calculus as fact checking anything else from any other source. What are the social/economic/ethical consequences to me if the answer is wrong or inaccurate or incomplete? How much time do I have to check? How thorough should I be? I imagine this calculus isn't really that different for most people. Or is it? As for your example, I believe it. But I also feel it's…
Well, in my case going to a Peanuts comic and looking at hands was pretty easy, and didn't involve any questions about negative environment or labor consequences, the massive hammering of web sites to gather data, centralization of power, and the like. Like, "!w Peanuts" in my search bar, look at the image, and count fingers. "a rather outlier example" You wrote that you use AI to find "obscure connections" - aren't…
So I'm not sure how much LLMs can handle this kind of inconsistency between "reputable" visual sources and text sources, nor how representative this example is.
A "reputable source" like Variety says this...
https://variety.com/2015/film/spotlight/charlie-brown-steve-...:
> “The rig would automatically move the features around so it would match the way Charles Schulz drew the character,” Heller says....In some drawings, Charlie Brown has just three fingers, while in others, he has five
Images from another website...
https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/cartoons-at-bat-part-1... :
1. https://cartoonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Lost-... -> 4 fingers
2. https://cartoonresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/image... -> 4 fingers
Anyway this wasn't the type of obscure connections I was referring to though I can understand you interpreting it that way.
Personally I think this example supports what I said about "reputable sources." They can't be blindly trusted either because they may be inconsistent with each other and which one we choose to believe (Reddit.com or TVTropes.com or Variety.com) becomes entirely subjective.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Newspapers, TV documentaries, Wikipedia, research papers, etc tend to be edited or peer reviewed.
The mere fact that editing is applied to newspapers, documentaries, or Wikipedia does not imply they become closer to the objective truth or free of omissions after the edits. Indeed, the edits may go the other way to align with vested business or political biases or personal fears of the editors or their management. As for research papers, I agree that the peer review process makes them more much more self-correctin…
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#195> a reputable source News reporters and editors have their biases. Book authors have their biases. Scientists and research papers have their biases. Search engines have their biases. Google too. All human-created systems have biases shaped by the environments, social norms, education, traditions, etc. of their creators and managers. So, the concepts of "objective truth" and "reputable" need to be analyzed more critic…
That's not what Google's AI mode does, though. It presents a bunch of sources along the answer, but in my experience, the sources in many cases don't actually back up the claims generated by the LLM.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right that LLMs do spit out false information or wrong knowledge. I've experienced them too. But a redeeming quality is that we can ask the same LLM to fact check its own answer step by step in real time with little effort. They often identify their own hallucinations and reduce the probability of retaining that mistake in the rest of the conversation. This isn't easy with human sources. The effort to fact che…
> But a redeeming quality is that we can ask the same LLM to fact check its own answer step by step in real time with little effort. They often identify their own hallucinations and reduce the probability of retaining that mistake in the rest of the conversation. It is not really a redeeming quality of LLM. It falls apart because if you want to properly fact check an LLM, you have to make yourself aquinted on human-g…
It's also a good point for the OP - when selecting an LLM, ask the people they're dealing with to ask 2-3 LLMs. It's much faster (and cheaper!) than reading about a complex geopolitical issue (that may not matter to them enough to spend a lot of money on books and research papers) while at the same time correcting common biases on all sides.
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> Someone said in the ongoing US/Israel vs. Iran conflict, Iran is like Sauron from the Lord of the Rings and US/Israel are like the good guys. Is this a valid parallel given the history of US, Israel, and Iranian regimes?"
Comparing real-world geopolitical conflicts to fictional narratives like The Lord of the Rings is a common rhetorical device used to frame complex situations in terms of absolute good versus absolute evil. However, determining whether this is a "valid" parallel depends heavily on one's political perspective, as real-world geopolitics rarely aligns perfectly with the clear-cut morality of fantasy literature.
> Historians, international relations scholars, and observers generally view such analogies as overly simplistic, as the histories of the United States, Israel, and Iran are marked by competing interests, shifting alliances, and moral complexities.
Here is a breakdown of how different perspectives view this analogy:
*The Perspective Aligning with the Analogy* Those who support the analogy framing Iran as the villain ("Sauron") and the US and Israel as the "good guys" often point to the current actions and rhetoric of the Iranian government: * *Regional Destabilization:* The Iranian government heavily funds and arms the "Axis of Resistance," a network of proxy militias including Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and the Houthis in Yemen. These groups have engaged in prolonged armed conflicts with Israel and targeted international shipping. * *Existential Rhetoric:* The leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran frequently uses rhetoric calling for the destruction of Israel and the downfall of the United States (often referring to them as the "Little Satan" and the "Great Satan"). * *Human Rights:* Iran's theocratic regime is heavily criticized by international human rights organizations for its severe suppression of internal dissent, lack of democratic freedoms, and treatment of women. * From this viewpoint, the US and Israel are democratic nations acting defensively to protect their citizens, regional stability, and global security from an aggressive, authoritarian regime seeking regional domination and nuclear capabilities.
*The Perspective Challenging the Analogy* Critics of this analogy argue that casting the US and Israel as flawless "good guys" and Iran as an irredeemable evil ignores significant historical context and the controversial actions of Western and Israeli governments: * *Historical Interventions:* Critics point to the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, in which the US and UK intelligence agencies orchestrated the overthrow of Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, to reinstate the authoritarian Shah. This event deeply scarred the Iranian psyche and laid the groundwork for the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the regime's current anti-Western stance. * *US Foreign Policy:* Observers critical of the US point to its history of military interventions in the Middle East—such as the 2003 invasion of Iraq—which resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties and regional destabilization. * *The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict:* Critics of Israel point to the prolonged military occupation of Palestinian territories, the expansion of settlements, and the high civilian death tolls in conflicts like the ongoing war in Gaza. From the perspective of Iran and many in the Global South, Israel is viewed as an oppressive or colonial force, and the US as its imperial enabler. * From this viewpoint, Iran frames itself not as an aggressor, but as the leader of a resistance movement pushing back against Western hegemony and defending marginalized populations in the Middle East.
*The Analytical Perspective* In The Lord of the Rings, Sauron is a localized, supernatural force of pure malice with no valid grievances, while the coalition fighting him represents the preservation of life and freedom.
Geopolitical analysts generally avoid mapping this binary onto international relations. Instead, they view the US/Israel vs. Iran conflict through the lens of realpolitik and state interests. In reality, all states involved are acting to secure their own survival, project regional power, and protect their economic and security interests. While individuals and governments may hold strong moral convictions about which side is justified, framing the long, deeply intertwined history of these nations as a simple battle between absolute good and absolute evil omits the historical grievances and civilian suffering experienced on all sides.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mere fact that editing is applied to newspapers, documentaries, or Wikipedia does not imply they become closer to the objective truth or free of omissions after the edits. Indeed, the edits may go the other way to align with vested business or political biases or personal fears of the editors or their management. As for research papers, I agree that the peer review process makes them more much more self-correctin…
Burn more tokens on this one, but the absence of an editor or peer reviewer also does not make it better.
Needless condescension and wrong assumption. No wonder so many people and students nowadays prefer answers (and even counseling) from LLMs instead of other people.
> but the absence of an editor or peer reviewer also does not make it better.
Strawman + putting words in my mouth.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Burn more tokens on this one, but the absence of an editor or peer reviewer also does not make it better.
> Burn more tokens on this one Needless condescension and wrong assumption. No wonder so many people and students nowadays prefer answers (and even counseling) from LLMs instead of other people. > but the absence of an editor or peer reviewer also does not make it better. Strawman + putting words in my mouth.
I don't see how disputing up the claim that LLMs and books, newspapers, etc are equitable sources of information is a strawman. I look forward to your erudite vernacular which will not deal with the substance of my comment.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#199I…do not.
Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with people who trust LLMs?
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue for many people social media and news aggregators do the exact same thing. People site Instagram or TikTok as the source of their data in the same way others site ChatGPT
Many go one step fewer and just take the headline title as the source…