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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by dan_quixote »

swampthing wrote: post #137

I have to say I am pretty surprised to see the negative sentiments toward Pave and salary benchmarking data in general here. Why is the assumption that salaries would always be lower given this data? It seems just as likely to inform companies that what they had in mind is below market or that they are under-compensating someone in light of market changes.

I think it's a pretty safe assumption that a company paying to gain information that gives them an advantage in negotiation isn't going to freely give up that advantage.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by simion314 »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #151
cryptonym wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the least ethical would be keeping it secret to one party and having the other party sharing data... Oh wait!

Glassdoor exists.

>Glassdoor exists.

you are not allowed to tell anyone how much you make so you might be in trouble if your found out but the companies share this info without your consent. From my POV make it all transparent.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by 8organicbits »

teraflop wrote: post #110
failuser wrote: post #89

Uber and AirBnb are essentially illegal taxi and illegal hotel services. Remember taxi medallions? Remember zoning laws? Being illegal is not a showstopper for a startup because they are under a radar, being illegal is not a problem for a large business because they have enough power to not get prosecuted.

Anybody else remember that time YC funded an international smuggling operation? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/backpack https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8199286

Their website is "backpack bang"? What a strange name, the last thing I want is for my backpack to "bang" when moving unknown goods across international borders!

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by dcrazy »

Retric wrote: post #180
hunter2_ wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your data Is it yours though? The employer could probably argue that it's theirs. Devil's advocate: I think it's widely understood that entities can be transparent with their data if they choose, other than NDA scenarios.

Most companies request people not share pay information. Information asymmetry is a huge deal in negotiations.

Such a “requirement” is illegal. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-right...

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

Retric wrote: post #181
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To pay more money.

The limit on pay is the amount of money they can budget to the position not what other people are paying.

And how do they arrive at the budgeted number? Lots of companies want to ensure they are paying a sufficiently high number to get sufficiently capable employees in a competitive market. While many (including me) find things like Pave gross, it's not a one way street, they can push wages up.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by skyyler »

dcrazy wrote: post #194
Retric wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most companies request people not share pay information. Information asymmetry is a huge deal in negotiations.

Such a “requirement” is illegal. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-right...

And pot was illegal in the 70s.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by yonran »

swatcoder wrote: post #159
yonran wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically for a question about antitrust price fixing you just named two incumbent government-sanctioned cartels (zoning and taxi medallions) that restrict supply and keep prices high. They would be illegal if private companies made them.

That's not ironic. Governments and private companies are not the same kind of entities. They have different roles, different roots of legitimacy, different forms of accountability, different operational objectives, and carry different expectations.

It’s ironic that in response to a question about price fixing, failuser brought up other companies that were formed to circumvent government price fixing, and in his examples the governments doing the price fixing were supposedly the good guys!

In the case of Uber, they successfully broke up the taxi cartel since the state PUC ruled that ride hail is a separate category.

In the case of Airbnb, according to their founding story they were created to help economize on space because rents were high in San Francisco due to zoning. Although they made a useful service, they did not succeed in reducing rents because the underlying zoning is still the constraint that keeps rents high.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by f1shy »

admissionsguy wrote: post #154
SoftTalker wrote: post #131

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Don't ever work in the public sector then. Your salary is public record, open to anyone who is curious enough to look.

or live in Sweden (where your earnings as well as your address and property, car or pet ownership are public record)

I’ve read about that. Is ipen to ANYbody? Is there a link?

Thanks

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Post by hunter2_ »

GTP wrote: post #182
hunter2_ wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your data Is it yours though? The employer could probably argue that it's theirs. Devil's advocate: I think it's widely understood that entities can be transparent with their data if they choose, other than NDA scenarios.

Well, if we're discussing whose data it is the information about how much I pay you , even from a devi's advocate perspective, you can't do better than arguing that this data pertains to both of us. So we should share the property of that data somehow. I don't see how you could argue that that data would be solely the employer's data.

If I administer a survey, collect responses, and put them into a spreadsheet, is the data in that spreadsheet not mine despite the fact that it consists of things that other people told me? I can't share it without the permission of those surveyed, assuming I didn't promise not to?
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