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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by ballenf »

liveoneggs wrote: post #160
auctoritas wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?

Perhaps a more interesting question is "how much better do we understand what characteristics AGI will have due to ChatGPT?"

We don't really understand what intelligence means -- in humans or our creations -- but ChatGPT gives us a little more insight (just like ELIZA, and the psychological research behind it, did).

At the very least, ChatGPT helps us build increasingly better Turing tests.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by addcommitpush »

auctoritas wrote: post #141
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

There's a fellow that kinda predicted it in 1950 [0]:

> These arguments take the form, "I grant you that you can make machines do all the things you have mentioned but you will never be able to make one to do X."

> [...]

> The criticisms that we are considering here are often disguised forms of the argument from consciousness, Usually if one maintains that a machine can do one of these things, and describes the kind of method that the machine could use, one will not make much of an impression.

Every time "learning machines" are able to do a new thing, there's a "wait, it is just mechanical, _real_ intelligence is the goalpost".

[0] https://www.espace-turing.fr/IMG/pdf/Computing_Machinery_and...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by pixl97 »

traceroute66 wrote: post #149
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

> The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe I agree. And the worst thing is that the bullshit hype comes round every decade or so, and people run around like headless chickens insisting that "this time its different", and "this time its the REAL THING". As you say, first(ish) there was ELIZA. Than this that and everything else. Then Autonomy and all that dot-com er…

Man, if this were 1800 you'd be stating that man would never fly and the horse would never be supplanted by the engine. I honestly don't believe you have any scientific or rational reasoning for the point you are attempting to make in your post, because if you were you'd be stating that animal intelligence is magical.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by rsynnott »

It's very much the new blockchain. For the next year or so everything will have "AI" in the description because it produces a pavlovian response in VCs, then it'll move onto something else. So goes the tech industry.

None of this is new; there's a special magic phrase to attract VCs that changes every few years, and for now AI is it (we've actually been here before; there was a year or so a while back when everything was an "intelligent agent"/chatbot).

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by latexr »

> AI is great. ChatGPT is incredible.

Imagine how the HN users who disagree with that feel. It is beyond fatiguing. I’m frequently reminded of the companies who added “blockchain” to their name and saw massive jumps in their stock price, despite having noting to do with blockchains¹.

¹ https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805598/companies-block...

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by osigurdson »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I don't really think of ChatGPT as AI at this point, just an incredibly useful tool.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by cmoski »

sfpotter wrote: post #140
Diggsey wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake meat is still a form of deception; it's something that's not meat pretending to be meat. If lab grown meat gets good enough to be indistinguishable from "real" meat, then it would no longer be fake, it would just be artificial.

Is “fake grass” (i.e. astroturf) a form of deception in your eyes?

When seen at a distance, it can trick people into thinking you have a perfectly manicured lawn. But you're just lazy/evil/it's a holiday house. Deception!

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by weeksie »

sbilstein wrote: post #52
nunodonato wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

Yep. I’m personally skeptical of so many other use cases for LLMs but CoPilot is fantastic and basically just autocomplete on rocket fuel. If you can use autocomplete, you can use CoPilot super effectively.

I almost always turn autocomplete off except in circumstances where the API has bad documentation. I also found that copilot was an aggravation more than a help after using it for a couple weeks.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by Sunhold »

rxhernandez wrote: post #134
Enginerrrd wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Civil Engineer with a modest background including some work in AI. I'm pretty impressed with it. It's about as good or better than an average new intern and it's nearly instant. I think a big part of my success with it is that I'm used to providing good specifications for tasks. This is, apparently, non-trivial for people to the point where it drives the existence of many middle-management or high-level enginee…

I can't speak to the rest of what you wrote because I couldn't be further from the field of civil engineering but if you feel impressed with it on chess, ask it to play game of tic tac toe; for me it didn't seem to understand the very simple rules or even keep track of my position on the grid. There are so few permutations in tac tac toe that it's lack of memory and lack of ability to understand extremely simple rule…

This is like complaining that your computer isn't able to toast bread. It's a language model based on multicharacter tokens, outputting grids of single characters is not something you would expect it to succeed at.

If you explained the rules carefully and asked it to respond in paragraphs rather than a grid, it might be able to do it. Can't test since it's down now.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by rsynnott »

auctoritas wrote: post #141
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

> ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary

For _what purpose_, tho? It's a good party trick, but its tendency to be confidently wrong makes using it for anything important a bit fraught.

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