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Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by rajin444 »

rvz wrote: post #106
gorbachev wrote: post #86

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No, that will also not happen. More developers will get hired, because ChatGPT will not perform the higher function tasks most developers actually spend most of their time working on. The reason this will happen, is because ChatGPT will be more efficient in performing the lower function tasks and there will be more of a need to put all that automatically created code into actual use, integrate it with Enterprise Pack…

> What possibly will happen is that junior developers will have even harder time getting into the industry, because clueless PHBs will see ChatGPT doing all their work "for free". A few years later they're screwed, because nobody at the company knows how their applications work. Except ChatGPT...maybe. Reads like what I said before. Some will be affected and less programmers will be needed,. Especially in particular,…

Who’s going to write new code to train the model? Who’s going to figure out why the code generated by the model is slightly off?

The performance gains from chatgpt are going to be amazing from a quality of life perspective but overall not a huge change (except maybe in some niche roles). Programmers are not spending much of their time figuring out code that chatgpt can generate.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by mastersummoner »

muffa wrote: post #112

Got laid off in June, was contacted with a lot of different opportutities but most of them were start-ups with no revenue. I joined a start-up which has been a horrible experience(Toxic culture) and I'm back looking for a new job again. I think I had something like 3-4 offers rescinded and a couple of interviews where I reached the final stage just to be informed that the company halted hiring.

I've been really lucky with my startup experience so far. The two I've worked for have both had really great, though different, environments. My most recent startup was 4 to 5 people and it was absolutely fantastic.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by amalcon »

sysadmindotfail wrote: post #158
chlmtt wrote: post #2

I used to work at a hardware store. As in literal bolts and nuts type of tech, not software related:) Recently lost my job. Originally from Kazakhstan. Thinking of going back if I can't find anything else. No credentials to speak of other than the fact that I could probably think my way out of an undergrad level abstract algebra or real analysis problem if cornered. Maybe topology, too. Native speaker of both Kazakh…

>I used to work at a hardware store. As in literal bolts and nuts type of tech, not software related As an SWE, this sounds way more fun.

It's about 80% the same as any other store (keep things stocked, tell customers where they are, operate a cash register kind of stuff), 5% copying keys, 15% answering questions that are either really simple ("what do I use to hang a painting") or underspecified ("I need a replacement nut for something"; the trick is to ask them to bring the bolt or another of the same nut if they can).

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by kurtreed »

trentnix wrote: post #126
throw_aws_inter wrote: post #16

I interviewed for 1.5 months (!!!) for AWS for a senior position, went through all the stages through the end. Then silence. I kept emailing the recruiters responsible for my interview, I kept getting out-of-office replies. Then I contacted some higher ups I found, told me they assigned my interview to other recruiters. No replies from them though. I have emailed them a bunch of times including the higher up. Then th…

Sounds familiar! Not to mention the interview itself being a never ending stream of “tell me about a time when…” Eventually you’ll get a “No” along with a message that, per policy, they don’t provide feedback. And then you’ll get several emails insisting you send your feedback, because they really want to “improve the process”. *facepalm* Unfortunately, despite assurances to the contrary, I was generally unimpressed…

In one Amazon interview the guy asked a coding challenge that he had apparently come up with himself. I realized later it was NP-complete.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by trentnix »

binarydreams wrote: post #188
trentnix wrote: post #180

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> One thing I noticed (although small sample set) was that the interview processes are very slow (like 1 round per week). Yep. And almost everyone is hiring by committee now. Because if the committee hires the wrong person, nobody hires the wrong person. And with all of these people involved, now you are subject to the calendars of the various very busy “stakeholders”. One company I engaged with had me talk to 11 peo…

Could you elaborate on "other warning signs"? Maybe others could learn a thing or two.

Absolutely. In the case I mentioned, interviewers did more talking than asking and listening, interviews were far too easy (I’m glad you like me but if you can’t really discern whether I’m good at my job, you’ve probably hired other people who are bad at theirs), and bad answers to questions about their business model (when stock options were part of the compensation package).

It just didn’t feel like a fit.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by bitL »

djha-skin wrote: post #156
olah_1 wrote: post #134

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Is that legal? In the interview, you basically have to lie about your employment situation, right?

If it's in your contract where you promise not to work for anyone else without telling your employer, yes, it's illegal because breach of contract is illegal. But it's not illegal in its own right. However I doubt that they didn't make him sign a contract to the contrary so he's probably double dipping.

He'll likely get fired once they figure it out but by that time he might be able to retire early.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by betterthanlast »

hbn wrote: post #181
bityard wrote: post #125

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Google may pay well and look good to future employers, but the internet is littered with stories about Google's weird promotion-driven-development culture and the stress/disappointment it can cause. I genuinely wish GP the best but it's not a company I would want to work for if I had another option.

If I ended up at Google I'd probably keep my head way down, only showing up and getting the work done because everything about it seems like a toxic work environment these days. But I can't help but think it's worth leveraging an offer like that, if not only as a favor to your future self. Go in planning to work for like a year, near the end start looking for a jobs and I have a feeling there will be a ton of compani…

Agreed. I got offered an interview at Google years ago and passed on it hard. On the one hand I feel like I should regret the money they I may have made, but honestly I regret nothing... Sometimes the fit matters more than the money and I would've hated my life there.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

f1shy wrote: post #151
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #89

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>salaries seem to be too low. You are often getting low-balled because "it would not fit within the salaries of the other team members". Preach it! CoL in German cities is far too high for how low skilled dev wages are. 100k at 15 years work experience is an insult when you look at Munich/Berlin house prices and that new grads can get 60k. And DW posted a YouTube video yesterday about how Germany has a shortage of so…

Oh... that about "we have too few SW devs"... I've been hearing that for decades (literally) also about medical personell... Truth is, they just do not pay enough!!! As you say, 100k would be just fine for 5 to 10 years in some small city... but Munich, Berlin, Hamburg... you have to talk 140k for 15 years real experience.

>but Munich, Berlin, Hamburg... you have to talk 140k for 15 years real experience.

Outside of FANGS & MANGAS, German companies would start laughing if you ask for that much for IC positions, even senior ones.

That kind of cheese is usually reserved for management/corporate bootlickers high up the command chain.

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Post by bitL »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #161
olah_1 wrote: post #134

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Is that legal? In the interview, you basically have to lie about your employment situation, right?

How many CEO's are CEO'ing for more than one company? If they can do it, why not the plebs?

Well, you aren't supposed to destroy the fabric of society! /s

How do you think society would work if there was no restriction on the size of the group that is allowed to break the laws for their own benefit?! Imagine the horror if all plebs were allowed to do that! Could everyone live in Monaco or what?

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by j33zusjuice »

throwaway908365 wrote: post #71

Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Alm…

Not to mention the 42% paid in taxes every year, assuming the €100k is gross, not net. €58,000 seems like a low take-home, even with all the caveats you gave.
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