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Post by EddySchauHai »

iaaan wrote: post #128

Earlier this year, I interviewed this guy who gave me really strange vibes. He would stall for a good 15-20 seconds after each question I asked... and then spit out a perfectly worded answer. I google'd some specific, peculiar phrases I remembered him saying after the interview and found that the phrases came straight out of places like the Kubernetes documentation, word for word. He was googling my questions and the…

Wow, that company is 73% at Unix Administration AND 80% at Network Solutions. If only they were 70% at Python I'd have hired them for a project. I need a company with those stats.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by closeparen »

atrettel wrote: post #40

The FBI and other US federal agencies have attributed similar tactics to North Koreans looking to infiltrate particular industries [1-3]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korean-crypto-job-cand... [2] https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/17/fbi_korea_freelancers... [3] https://www.wired.com/story/north-korean-it-scammer-alert/

There is no reason an intelligence-gathering operation has to use someone who is totally incompetent at the job and comes across as suspicious.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by EddySchauHai »

csa wrote: post #178
sicp-enjoyer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it strange that there appears to be international networks within American universities. I have noticed a large number of people from the same countries, attending similar vague programs (like you mentioned), writing theses with advisors from their home country. It makes me wonder if they are just getting into a completely different program with the "American university" name. Do you have any insight into this…

> It makes me wonder if they are just getting into a completely different program with the "American university" name. Not op, but I can answer this. Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: Most non-terminal Masters degree programs are degree mills, even at well known universities. These are almost always pay-to-play with few opportunities for scholarships, TAships, or whatever. Most “real” students will enter a doctoral p…

I interviewed at Oxford for an MSc in Software Engineering with no bachelors degree lol. There are sneaky gateways into a lot of top universities.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by kube-system »

irvingprime wrote: post #187
kube-system wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like making people write code live. Some really good coders just don't work well with people looking over their shoulder. I prefer giving people a take-home with an original problem to solve. Then, follow that up with a live call where you ask them some questions about it.

Personally, when a company asks me to do a take home, I say no.

What do you prefer?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by geoffbp »

Yes we’re having problems along those lines. We don’t proceed with interviews unless video is available

- Multiple candidates with the same resume

- Resume doesn’t include full name, location or LinkedIn

- Candidate blatantly lies during interview

- Candidate is observed copying answers from the web, unable to explain how it works

- Language barrier issues

- Candidate applying for a senior role can’t solve simple problem

- Job hopping every 6 months or 1 year

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Post by dexwiz »

dahfizz wrote: post #60
ElevenLathe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we don't have some base level of respect for people just because they're people ("for solely existing") then we can justify treating marginalized people even worse than we already are. Some of them already have it pretty bad! Seems evil!

This goes back to OPs point about devaluing the concept of respect. I'm generally polite to stangers I meet. Not because I respect them (how could I? I don't know them), but because it's morally good to behave decently. By conflating respect with basic manners/decency, you really devalue what it means to deserve respect and to be respected.

You treat others with dignity.

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Post by __d »

shostack wrote: post #190
__d wrote: post #114

Early 2010's, Wall St software tech vendor: I had a candidate show up for an interview, in person, go through the preliminaries and then sit down in a meeting room for the detailed questions. As we got into it, the candidate often asked me to repeat the question. I was happy to do so, but after a few times, I was already taking care to speak slowly and clearly, and it was still happening a lot. Then I noticed a quiet…

Or getting questions to secure placement for future candidates.

Yeah, I did wonder about that, but they could've just recorded the interview.

Although that did happen, but I think that was the recruitment agencies: they'd debrief their candidates after their interviews, and the next time they sent someone in, they'd be prepped for the whiteboard design exercises we'd used previously. I ended up with a dozen different questions that I rotated, which seemed to be enough.

General interview questions were often prepped too. Our phone screen question list had to grow quite long before it seemed like the effort to cram/prep was too much trouble.

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Post by ralphc »

bb88 wrote: post #30

It's a problem here too. Even if they use their camera, it doesn't mean they don't have someone feeding them answers to questions. Phone interviews are even more sketchy since the person who may be answering the questions is a completely different person who shows up on day 1. We had one person we hired as a contractor, but then her voice changed on the phone, and started calling people by their last names in chat. I…

We had this happen to the company I was at around 2015. I heard about it after the fact, good phone interview, a Salesforce position, he's hired (contract I think). Day one the person that shows up barely speaks English and can barely log in to Salesforce. Maybe he thought he was going to a bigger department and could hide and blend in, but it was a small Salesforce team at a large company. He lasted less than a day and was escorted out. The placement agency apologized. A lot.

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Post by [deleted] »

lobstersammich wrote: post #171
iaaan wrote: post #128

Earlier this year, I interviewed this guy who gave me really strange vibes. He would stall for a good 15-20 seconds after each question I asked... and then spit out a perfectly worded answer. I google'd some specific, peculiar phrases I remembered him saying after the interview and found that the phrases came straight out of places like the Kubernetes documentation, word for word. He was googling my questions and the…

I'd reach out to Crowdstrike with the domains names ( https://dataservicegroup[.]com ). This follows the MO of APTs out of North Korea: https://www.wired.com/story/north-korean-it-scammer-alert/ If you share the list of similar phrases and the domain names that pop up when you search for those phrases the Crowstrike researchers can (a) probably help confirm which group(s) you're dealing with or at least (b) write up…

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