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Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by Melatonic »

JonathanBuchh wrote: post #112
stevenleeg wrote: post #108

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I've been using Kagi over the last few days and have actually been pleasantly surprised with it performing better than both Google and DDG for my use cases. It's still free during the beta so might be worth giving it a shot.

I’ve also been using https://kagi.com for the past couple of days and have found the search results to be unparalleled to both Google and DuckDuckGo. I haven’t come across any SEO spam and the results seem to be of better quality overall. They have all of the same bangs DDG uses and get results from Bing, Google, and a bespoke index. Because they query Bing and Google, it will be pretty expensive when it launches (it…

How long did you have to wait for the invite?

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by Melatonic »

eproxus wrote: post #161
antihero wrote: post #124

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Hmm, annoyingly some bloody invite based thing instead of just being able to try the damn thing. What is this, 2004?

Apparently their invite, once you receive it, is free to share with anyone. Enjoy: https://kagi.com/signup?invite_code=adfreesearchengine

Might be a limit on the number of users - this link now gets an "expired" message after attempting to signup. Anybody else have one I can try?

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by franczesko »

omnicognate wrote: post #84
pluc wrote: post #75

Use a search engine that doesn't fuck up your results instead of trying to unfuck the results it gives you. Why go through this much effort to still give your money to google?

Any recommendation? I use ddg but it's Bing based and the results are no better.

After trying a few, I currently test Brave Search. It misses DDG's bangs, but results seem to be better.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by endisneigh »

tyingq wrote: post #188
endisneigh wrote: post #183

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All the search engines have seen massive increases in SEO and consequently, spam. Do you believe Google et al isn’t working on it? It’s obviously a very difficult problem.

I believe they've become more complacent since there is no competitive pressure, yes.

I don't know, a lot of people have claimed this but no one has any proof.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by fallat »

omnicognate wrote: post #144
antihero wrote: post #124

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Hmm, annoyingly some bloody invite based thing instead of just being able to try the damn thing. What is this, 2004?

I'm on the waitlist. AIUI they intend this to be a paid service eventually, which is highly desirable to me. If it can be made to work, I would very much like a search service that is directly paid for by its users, rather than funded via side channels such as advertising or paid results placement that create skewed incentives. If they're not ready to charge for use yet, a limited preview makes more sense than a publ…

Signed up; I will gladly pay for better results. Google has sold its soul long ago to the capitalism gods. DDG and Brave are no better.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by TrueDuality »

matheweis wrote: post #104
TrueDuality wrote: post #100

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DuckDuckGo is not Bing based.

It does in fact use the Bing backend for the majority of its web searches: > DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple part…

Of their additional sources they receive the commonly from Bing, but that is only from their additional sources. They use the results from there sure but by no means are they "Bing based".

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by endisneigh »

nixcraft wrote: post #122
jhchabran wrote: post #5

That's an ambitious goal, I'm not sure to see how that would be maintainable on the long run. On a much smaller scale, if anyone is interested, I maintain a black list focused on those code snippet content farms that gets in the way when you're searching for some error message or particular function here https://github.com/jhchabran/code-search-blacklist .

May I know why my domain (cyberciti.biz) was added to that list? I created my site back in 2000, and there was no StackOverflow or anything. So much for creating original content and then getting labelled as a spammer. In fact, some of the top answers on StackOverflow were copied from my work without giving any credit to me. Some people do give credit tho. But, go ahead block a site that actual humans maintain over 2…

Your comment is exactly why spam prevention is difficult. Sorry for that.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by kcfantastic »

dredmorbius wrote: post #65

TL;DR: I strongly suspect that relatively small, personally-curated lists will be much more appropriate and highly effective. These might be augmented with specific classifications, but probably not on a widespread basis. Though the proposed solution borrows heavily from concepts long used in email and Usenet spam, there are a few critical distinction in SEO SERP[1] spam which both make a widely-crowdsourced listing…

I've been building something similar to this with https://fantastic.link. Would love to get your feedback!

I think empowering individuals to curate the web would create stronger social and financial incentives to improve online indexing (I.e: Shopify vs Amazon). 20 years ago we could approximate quality from backlinks from credible sites, in the age of social media it seems this signal has shifted towards what creators, influencers, and online experts endorse.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by nitrogen »

nixcraft wrote: post #177
nitrogen wrote: post #175

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What CDN do you use? I was immediately asked to solve a captcha from my phone.

Cloudflare sometimes triggers those when they think IP reputation is not good. Typically happens for data centre IP ranges as WAF has an anti-bot feature. So I know it is a problem for some.

Maybe it's the fact that I don't use one of the three major US ISPs. Hopefully CDNs get used to the idea that there can be more than one fiber provider.
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