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Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I remember seeing an HN article about a stone disc that could keep your data intact for 1000 years. I can't seem to find it. All that comes up in search is something called M-Disc

You did find it:

M-Disc is a DVD made out of stone that lasts 1,000 years

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2868296

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/92286-m-disc-is-a-dvd-...

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#192

Blockchain: IPFS and FIL Though, who knows what will be around in 500 years. In theory, some blockchains will be, if only as museum pieces.

Ctrl+f "IPFS". Thank you. Considering the increasing capabilities of our tech, even if the internet, blockchain, or IPFS aren't live 500 years from now, they could easily be preserved in some form for posterity, just like an insect in amber.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

#193
Etch it onto a metal disk like this[1] inside a capsule that can survive reentry, pay to have it shot into space with a slowly decaying orbit. Then perhaps arrange to have the reentry hit a pond near your ancestral home in about 500 years time.

1. https://longnow.org/artifacts/rosetta-wearable-disk

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I would probably create some type of small self-contained unit, that's battery powered, and can recharge itself via solar panels. I'd have this device periodically try to fetch data from the internet. Once the internet goes down it goes down, and you'd have the local cached copy. I'd also have this mystical device print out the entire website in paper form every year or so, and then it would automatically shove the b…

How do you keep the battery from degrading after a few decades? Are there specific battery types that are long-term (hundreds of years?). Such as capacitors? And the solar panels themselves would need maintenance, even if it is simply cleaning.

That's why we print the book copies of the book. Once people stop caring to fix the machine, eventually they can still find the books.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Print it out on acid-free paper with a stable, acid-free ink. Have it bound as a hardback, and seal it into a waterproof container. Entrust it to one of your children, tell them to keep it in a safe-deposit box and take it out once a year to share with their children, and to pass it on to their children with the same instructions. If you have it electronically, the absolute best case in 500 years is that it will be a…

The second part of your answer is hilarious and depressing.

Never underestimate the power of basic human needs over layers of abstractions.

Software's intangibility will be its downfall when our modern society eventually collapses.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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If you want it to stand the test of time, use other methods that have provably stood the test of time, like a book. You know that will work. You do not know anything currently digital will work. If this is important to you, I wouldn't mess around with "high tech" solutions. It's a complete gamble and relies on too many different components to work, whereas a book you just have to know how to read. The world can be in another dark age and it will still work. At least while there is light out.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #138
post #76

I've toyed with the idea of putting money into a trust and having the executors of the trust use the money to maintain stuff like this. It's more of an institutional solution than a technical one, but I'm personally more comfortable with an institution lasting 500 years than an unmaintained piece of hardware or software. It's the same strategy used by museums--they take a grant from somewhere (from government, public…

IANAL but I believe "the rule against perpetuities" is one of the sticking points in using something like a trust as an institutional solution to this problem.

Yes, I think perpetual trusts are illegal. Whether 500 years counts as perpetual, I don't know.
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