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Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by VoxPelli »

jb775 wrote: post #159
VoxPelli wrote: post #121

There are two approaches: * The federated approach, where many Twitter like sites can interconnect and exchange messages. One current example of this is Mastodon, older examples are Status.net/Identi.ca * An indie approach, where everyone basically hosts their own profile and there are no Twitter like sites at all, one instead uses readers that are completely separate from ones hosted profile, just like it was in the…

For the indie approach, you would need to automate the self-hosting setup to gain realistic traction with the masses. What about somehow utilizing wireless router hardware for the local hosting? Pretty much everyone has a similar router/modem setup that's always connected to the internet. Could create a script that sets up a file structure directly on the router (or a usb stick plugged into the router) that stores/ho…

I myself don't think it's necessary to host it locally at home. The most key thing to me is to control the domain name so that I can move from one provider to another.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by bra-ket »

hayst4ck wrote: post #187
bra-ket wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. 4 years on non-stop propaganda by left wing owned mainstream media, amplified by online echo-chambers, will do that to you. Especially if the other side is labeled all shades of evil, like ‘racists’ and ‘fascists’ indiscriminately and without evidence. Slander is a powerful political weapon. 2. "Moronic sheep" is a poetic way to describe people who tend to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning. I…

I don't think you answered the questions in good faith, and I think I responded to you in good faith. If a sheep is someone who: "tends to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning." Then what is a good measure of who is a sheep or not? I questioned your beliefs, and you gave me back lines from your echo chamber verbatim. Here's some good questions for you: "What are some of the weak points of my belief…

Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots.

What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning.

But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, just apply your high standards of good faith argument to left wing media and their culture of political ‘discourse’, lmao. I’m just a lowly Trumper.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by mlinksva »

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #144

Every time I go looking for one of these open alternatives it’s filled with fringe conspiracy theorists, actual racists, etc. Example is LBRY. Bryan Lunduke says he’s switching off YouTube for LBRY, so I go there to check it out. Top trending video is some white supremacist thing why I shouldn’t forget my ancestry. Search for “how to repair furnace”, second result is video how Epstein is alive. Even Lunduke is taking…

https://gitlab.com/spritely/ocappub/blob/master/README.org is an interesting way forward.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by papertokyo »

jb775 wrote: post #165
pjc50 wrote: post #155

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Well, yes. There are only two reasons to use the less popular alternative: ideological preference, which is very rare, or being banned from the #1 service. > no censorship actually makes these smaller platforms something that people don’t want to use Invert that sentence and you see why it's happening on the major platforms; deplatforming the deplorables is necessary or they drive normal people and advertisers away.

Human nature eventually turns deplatforming the deplorables into deplatforming anyone I disagree with . A decentralized Twitter would need decentralized moderation.

On a scale this large, with so many people performing moderation and guidelines to follow, it most likely just leads to deplatforming the ones that are an unreasonable threat to the comfort of most users and businesses.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by mhuffman »

jb775 wrote: post #165
pjc50 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes. There are only two reasons to use the less popular alternative: ideological preference, which is very rare, or being banned from the #1 service. > no censorship actually makes these smaller platforms something that people don’t want to use Invert that sentence and you see why it's happening on the major platforms; deplatforming the deplorables is necessary or they drive normal people and advertisers away.

Human nature eventually turns deplatforming the deplorables into deplatforming anyone I disagree with . A decentralized Twitter would need decentralized moderation.

> Human nature eventually turns deplatforming the deplorables into deplatforming anyone I disagree with.

I agree with this part, but how does this part:

> A decentralized Twitter would need decentralized moderation.

... not just turn into the first part after a time?

I don't think there will ever be a "truly" decentralized twitter that is popular, because it would necessary have to lack any type of non-first-person moderation, and we as a society would probably not want that.

It would attract types of information that most of us would agree that we do not want around (child porn, terrorism planning, etc) and with any sort of traction, the government would step in to shut it down.

And before you say "it can't be shut down" ... anything can be shut down when you control the means of financial transactions, Internet cables, and a police/judicial system to punish those that go too far out of acceptable bounds.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by papertokyo »

bra-ket wrote: post #192
hayst4ck wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you answered the questions in good faith, and I think I responded to you in good faith. If a sheep is someone who: "tends to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning." Then what is a good measure of who is a sheep or not? I questioned your beliefs, and you gave me back lines from your echo chamber verbatim. Here's some good questions for you: "What are some of the weak points of my belief…

Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the be…

Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way.

You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course)

Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but I haven't seen any examples of people demonstrating that sort of behaviour and ideology who aren't Trump supporters. That should be food for thought.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by wtfiswiththis »

papertokyo wrote: post #196
bra-ket wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the be…

Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way. You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course) Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, bu…

Yea this guy is clearly radicalized.

Consider this: Trump called people "Very fine" in response to one of his followers committing an ISIS-style ramming attack that killed a girl at the Unite the Right rally. He was meant to denounce the attack but ended up giving his fanatics a nod and a wink.

At least one of those people were present at the Capitol siege, he made it into Pelosi's office. After the siege Trump called these people special. Again with the wink and nod instead of denouncing things outright.

Same people, years later engaging in the same terrorist activity, again supported by Trump during a time when he was meant to denounce.

The guy who was present for both incidents goes by "Baked Alaska."

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by bra-ket »

papertokyo wrote: post #196
bra-ket wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the be…

Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way. You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course) Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, bu…

I’m surrounded by liberals and their bs, just like you. My only source of disinformation is liberal/mainstream media, just like yours. And I haven’t seen as many lies as I’ve seen last year, and this one, oh God.

I’m ‘radicalized’ by you, dear liberal people, and I’m one of the 75M.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by Larrikin »

Are there any tools out there that will posts your content to multiple platforms simultaneously? The current fringe sites are worthless to me since currently they are mostly created and used by people who were kicked off the top sites.

However, as an example, if there was a tool that would post my video to youtube, dailymotion, and however other many video sites are out there I'd gladly do it. You could still maintain a preferred network to help consolidate likes and subscribers, but you are less beholden to any one company if your content has existed many places for years.

It could be difficult in mediums like twitter where there is a real two way interaction, perhaps a comment consolidator within the tool?

If it doesn't exist I think government should atleast build the tool for themselves. There's no reason for communication from the government to exist first on a private platform. It should be put out on a .gov platform that then goes to whatever popular platforms of the day exist.

Re: Ask HN: What are decentralized Twitter alternatives?

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Post by [deleted] »

papertokyo wrote: post #196
bra-ket wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the be…

Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way. You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course) Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, bu…

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