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Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

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Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

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I never stopped developing. After getting laid off in April 2023 after 13 years as first a full stack then mobile dev, I just started working on things that interested me. I did apply and interview a few times, but I started to realize that pushing 50 and being as cynical as I now am, I'm pretty much unemployable as an IC. So I released my application to the App Store this month, and while savings are dwindling, thin…

How can I find your app?

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#182

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It's highly unlikely anyone is producing for all X hours in their work-week, especially in a "thinky" field, there has to be some time for the mind to digest and breathe. For many people this usually happens in the midst of chatting with coworkers, clicking through HN, or staring off longingly into a space that isn't there, passively thinking about a side-project, etc. Why pretend like this digestion time doesn't exi…

There's a difference between reading the news at work or chatting about nothing with coworkers for a half-hour a day and working part-time while passing it off as full-time. There are plenty of developers who work 7+ hours a work day, plus a little more at nights or on weekends during crunch times. I'm one of these people and every place I've worked has had these people. It's not like all of our work requires intense…

The average office worker is productive for less than 3 hours per day https://www.vouchercloud.com/better-living/office-worker-pro...

That's normal across all industries. If there are people who are actually productive for 7 hours per day, they are extreme outliers.

I used to think that I worked 8-10 hours per day. That was until I measured my actual productivity.

I worked as a translator once. When I timed myself, I found that I can translate about 2,000 words in 1 hour. But in a day, I struggle to do more than 5,000 words, no matter how hard I push myself- even though that's just 2.5 hours of work! And if I do 5,000 words every day, I burn out within a week.

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

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I have heard this a few times from different people/places, but why is it the case that at 50+ it is harder to find work? Assuming a regular retirement age, there are still many more years left in the career than a typical tech employment lasts.

Because most founders who made it in the field, did so at a young age and so they are biased to view old people who didn't "make it" and are still coding as incompetent even though it has nothing to do with reality. Reality is that being good in the tech side does not correlate that mich with being good on the business side. They are almost independent factors aside from some low baseline requirement of competence...…

There was a YC CEO that in a podcast basically asserted that innovation was pretty much done by people less than 30 years of age. I had been gearing to apply to that company until I saw that comment.

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#184

I'm contemplating becoming an aircraft mechanic. I've always loved planes and I still sometimes wish I had chosen to become a commercial pilot. There's a "crash course" school near me that's designed to get you the FAA A&P certifications in eight months. I'd be taking a significant pay cut at the beginning but after 5ish years I'd be back up about to where I am now.

I've thought of taking a similar path myself. Which school are you looking at?

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#186
2023 had a lot of trouble finding a tech job and even local meetup devs told me of layoffs, got into restaurant work where I had worked several years ago in college, because they remembered me. Mostly physical job, I don't have to work the fryers which in some ways is kind of nice, and it's super low stress, just takes a lot of energy and leaves me drained in most of free time

In my experience It's very hard to get back in once you've been out of tech a while. Not because you can't code, but it becomes harder if not impossible to convince someone you can and current oversupply.

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#187

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The people they would manage are getting fired, so they're also becoming redundant by consequence.

Project managers typically manage projects, not people

Sure but projects don't complete themselves.

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#188

Medicine. It's significantly harder than software engineering in terms of the lifestyle and demands on you, but I've never been happier or more fulfilled. A lot of the skills translate over, other than perhaps the actual coding.

So did you start med school? How old are you? It takes a long time to get to practice, so I'm wondering what is the full story here.

Re: Ask HN: Former devs who can't get a job, what did you end up doing for work?

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between reading the news at work or chatting about nothing with coworkers for a half-hour a day and working part-time while passing it off as full-time. There are plenty of developers who work 7+ hours a work day, plus a little more at nights or on weekends during crunch times. I'm one of these people and every place I've worked has had these people. It's not like all of our work requires intense…

The average office worker is productive for less than 3 hours per day https://www.vouchercloud.com/better-living/office-worker-pro... That's normal across all industries. If there are people who are actually productive for 7 hours per day, they are extreme outliers. I used to think that I worked 8-10 hours per day. That was until I measured my actual productivity. I worked as a translator once. When I timed myself, I…

Exactly. I really like the empirical example. I find that solutions to work problems come to me at most random circumstances, shower, sleep, etc. Also a 15 minute break can unblock something that I’ stuck on for hours.

I think it’s important to realise that there’s that limit to productivity, so don’t force it if it’s not working. take a break, come back tomorrow, you may find that you’re far more productive even though you’re spending less time “bums on seats”. Somewhat employer dependent

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