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Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 0. Feels abnormal looking at everyone here. I don't consider myself that successful. Very average or below in career and also extremely below average in life outside of work. Not very many friends, never been in a relationship (I'm old). Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive. I'm wondering what's the distribution of ACE.

ACE 1, I think. I don't have many fond memories of childhood. Although my parents weren't monsters, I went to school in an area where high ACE schools would have been common, and being somewhat of a nerd was the odd one out, I struggled socially for my first few decades. There was no Internet in those days to find like-minded weirdos.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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I started writing a reply about my childhood. But then I realized I would be sharing more than I'm comfortable sharing in public, I don't even feel comfortable creating a throwaway account to discuss this stuff.

Maybe for you, or others: But I have some past stuff that applies to the ACE score, and absolutely no-one knows about it. Not my spouse, family, previous partners, friends, psychiatrist, counselors, and my children certainly never will. I'll very likely take it to my grave.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you’re responding to, but I’m careful with what I share with people. I once had someone share something rather personal, followed up with a comment that they suspected I’ve had similar experiences. The reason? The language and phrases I use when referencing parents. Nothing negative per se, but the way in which I refer to them (example: my mother) and others. I was giving away more than I realized. Whi…

Even something as simple as a single word can give away absurd amounts of information about us. I used to be ashamed of my nationality and actively tried to hide it. I was very successful at it too, never had a single person identify me... Until I tried playing an MMORPG I used to play when I was a kid and was still learning English. Long story short, I misspelled the name of an item because of my childhood memories.…

I once had my nationality "leak" just by the specific addition I chose when ordering a specific hamburger-like dish at a food-stall. Something akin to choosing to put mustard on a hot-dog kind of situation. The person looked at me, knew, got confused as I had a perfectly neutral and non-native accent, and then just had to ask to confirm their suspicion.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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My ACE is 0 (lucky me, my solidarity goes to all of you). Although childhood problems are a grave impediment for life, do you think you come out stronger / more brave than people with no problem? For example I turned out a workaholic because I couldn’t find how to have success in my affective life. I’m 40, fit, correctly rich, but with a deep unsatisfaction about romantic life. Should I just be brave about it and sat…

The research shows that people come out less strong. Bravery is different, I think that's highly individual. Some people who seek out extreme thrills and adrenaline do so because their brain and nervous system are hardwired for dangerous environments, and it's the only way they can feel normal.

You have to work to find silver linings, opportunity in chaos and vice versa.

To your own issue, bravery would be taking action to address your dissatisfaction. That could mean therapy, or putting yourself out there, but in any case takes the very real bravery of developing self-awareness and honesty so you can identify what you need to do.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 6. I did good career wise, failure was just not an option to me so I worked hard. At school I was put into accelerated classes for gifted kids. But I feel like I could have done a lot better with more support at home. I see that people get points for diversity etc. in college or hiring, but there is no such support for people who suffer silently, and even if there was I have too much pride to let others know just for some brownie points. Life was particularly hard before I found employment, roughly from the age of 18 to 26. That was also the period when my mental health challenges were more difficult and I had not yet learned how to cope. I have not yet gotten any ‘treatment’ for mental health issues. I got some money after making some fortunate investment decisions that allowed me to climb out of poverty, it might be trivial sum for most people out there but it was a lot to me. Lately I get feelings of being an orphan, just out there on my own and not having my own people to share things with or support in life.

My wife is startled sometimes when I react as I do, she doesn’t understand where it comes from. I have forgetfulness and emotional regulation issues. But she is a nice person and helps me out.

I worry about money and the future all the time.

I would like to thank my mom and God for everything, and Jensen Huang. Will delete this later.

Sorry for poor punctuation and english.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#186

This is the first time I've heard of an ACE score; I had to look up what it stood for: https://www.christineortollcharity.org/post/adverse-childhoo... I suspect I'm not the only one here in this boat.

My first time hearing of it too, am ACE 10. In my mid 40s and have been having an increasing desiring for no particular reason to unpack some baggage. I think I’ve done ok in life generally, much better than the course my childhood put me on, but I think I’ve suppressed a lot of stuff and ultimately is starting to wear me down. Most notably, I just feel like a fraud a lot of times. My peers talk about how they did st…

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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My ACE score is 2. I am extremely dissatisfied with my life. I wrote hundreds of words in a reply to this post and deleted them because no one cares.

My net worth is whatever. I need to manage money better but frankly bills haven't been a concern for long time. I live within my means and need to invest instead of holding cash.

I have few friends, and when I had a depressive episode a few months ago and told people? They all evaporated.

I'm convenient. Friendly, affable - yes. But not worth much else. Been a hard one for me but I just work now instead. The ROI works out better.

The people that live in my home notice me, and that's about it.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#189
I long ago gave up any faith in the "ADHD"/"Autism" religion, which has all the mechanics of a cult, and just decided to live my life without the labels given to our society by Nazi scientists.

It has been a huge relief, and frankly a major deal-breaker with regards to escaping the destructive feedback-loop of self-evaluation/comparison with others. The for-profit "ADHD"/"Autism" industry does not have the individuals' best interests at heart - it does, instead, wish to perpetuate its own culture - which fundamentally boils down to classism and authoritarianism, wrapped in a velvet glove of narcissistic self-loathing.

If this offends you, you're probably in that cult. Just think about it a bit more - in what way does it help you, personally, to evaluate another person and label them with these conditions - does it help you position your own life in such a way that you have a 'relevant' context, or does it fix a handle to that person with which you can further manipulate them? Just stop. Take a deep breath. Nobody in the world is helped by these labels.

>Currently, I look accomplished to people, but I don’t feel accomplished.

See, this is what I'm talking about. To which people do you 'look accomplished'? This kind of navel-gazing is self-destructive.

A cure for this behaviour is to take a long journey to another culture, step outside the total authority of the culture that makes you think this way, and re-evaluate the fundamental mechanics of your life. Your autism or ADHD can be cured with one week in a village, away from the machine, learning to catch and cook your own food, find your own shelter, dig your own latrine. It doesn't matter what 'mental illness' you think you have in comparison to others in your society - everyone needs to eat, sleep and shit - and that feeling of safety you feel you lack is going to be strengthened once you live in a jungle for a while.

In the jungle, "ADHD"/"Autism" are only as relevant as they provide you with food, water, shelter, sleep. Go live in it for a while, even if its just a vacation, and you'll feel much, much better about things. I promise.

(Note: fully expecting to be downvoted into oblivion for this, but it doesn't matter. I've got my next trip to the jungle scheduled already. The only thing I care about is that someone, somewhere out there, also has that jungle trip in their mind, on the horizon. I'm sure some of you will see this before the text fades into the collective, reactive oblivion...)

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#190
ACE 5. (I have some questions regarding the simple yes/no but never mind for now).

Suffered from severe depression in the past.

Got treatment, worked hard. I have a good and happy life now. Own my home, have good savings.

Relationships of any kind are still difficult sometimes.

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